The Middle East Conflict Thread

[d0b33]

Are we going to go down that route again? Were you not embarrassed enough last tie when you were shown to be clearly misleading about the facts of that?

OMG you are the one ignoring the facts that make you uncomfortable. I provided enough proof.

 

[rwenzori]

When you are dealing with animals who want to destroy the Israeli's how can there be any solution other than war?

The point is that it works both ways - try this:

"When you are dealing with animals who want to destroy the Palestinians how can there be any solution other than war?"

Now you may think you are right, but there are plenty others who back the other view. Does that get to solve anything?

 

[semiautomatix]

For every one you kill, two more will be created. The use of violence against militants might in this case result in the end of Hamas, but only so as to form an even more militant group. Hamas is a product of Israel's past actions, in this manner.

Israel was attempting to form a Palestinian State and they were funding the Palestinian Authority to do so until Hamas was elected to government. Hamas refused to recognise the State of Israel and canceled all past agreements. There was a way forward and Hamas rejected it. This situation is a product of Hamas' actions.

 

[AvOk]

By that same token the Israeli people deserve the terrorist attacks due to the behaviour of their goverment?

Good Question, although the attacks by Hamas cant be compared to the brutality Israel has used against the Palestinian people.

 

[rwenzori]

Israel was attempting to form a Palestinian State and they were funding the Palestinian Authority to do so until Hamas was elected to government. Hamas refused to recognise the State of Israel and canceled all past agreements. There was a way forward and Hamas rejected it. This situation is a product of Hamas' actions.

Just goes to show how little the Palestinians trusted Israel's "attempt". Israel reaps what it sowed.

 

[fewl]

Amid cries of "Jews and Arabs refuse to be enemies!" and banners reading, "Enough!" thousands of Israelis took to the streets of Tel Aviv on Saturday night to protest against the country's war on Gaza.

Nobody is shooting 100+ rockets a week at Tel Aviv. It's easy for them to talk.

 

[semiautomatix]

Just goes to show how little the Palestinians trusted Israel's "attempt". Israel reaps what it sowed.

Except its not Israel who is suffering.

Of course now the situation has gone backwards. Well done!

 

[semiautomatix]

Nobody is shooting 100+ rockets a week at Tel Aviv. It's easy for them to talk.

Link plz.

 

[Necuno]

imho, its the leaders of both sides that's enticing the situation- sure that the populace on both sides would actually want to live together regardless of who's land or who's god-right it is to live there.....

/dream off

there lies a problem in the "sloving" of the hamas issue; if for example your father was a hamas and he is shot into bits before you, would you like or dislike your dad's killers ?

the other question is, is their a another way to root them out without killing them and i uppose there is not unless the people give them up which i doubt will happen because of them being their chose (or some of them) just because they are anti isreal; as exactly as we have here as some blacks vote black and white vote white just because they are apposing forces.

in the end is it not the two side's actual residents that suffers ?

 

[rwenzori]

Except its not Israel who is suffering.

Great! No more bleating about "rocket attacks" then please.

 

[semiautomatix]

Great! No more bleating about "rocket attacks" then please.

I didn't say they weren't any rockets. They're just very inaccurate.

 

[Sackboy]

Good Question, although the attacks by Hamas cant be compared to the brutality Israel has used against the Palestinian people.

What exactly is Hamas' goal? Have you read their charter. This will tell you that Israel is a saint compared to the aspirations of that organisation.

 

[Necuno]

so sackboy, marine, frankie and all pro kill-palastines-hamas, what would you suggest then as a solution ?

 

[Gilgamesh]

The wind from the West has blown the plague of Zion off the fetid ocean onto the land. The people wait like rocks in the desert hollows, inert and silent, for the long season to change, for the wind to turn and howl from the East, blowing the plague from the land.

 

[STS]

*coughs*

 

[alloytoo]

Well, I'm not about to embark on hours of research - there are many lists on the net. They are clearly in breach of 242.

How so?

 

[Necuno]

The wind from the West has blown the plague of Zion off the fetid ocean onto the land. The people wait like rocks in the desert hollows, inert and silent, for the long season to change, for the wind to turn and howl from the East, blowing the plague from the land.

When religion and politics ride in the same cart, the whirlwind follows

 

[Sackboy]

so sackboy, marine, frankie and all pro kill-palastines-hamas, what would you suggest then as a solution ?

Make me UN ambassador and I'll spend some time. Otherwise I will just continue to give my own opinion. The Nobel prize beckons for the one with a solution.

 

[Frankie]

so sackboy, marine, frankie and all pro kill-palastines-hamas, what would you suggest then as a solution ?

As I've said before, and no I don't blame you for not going through this thread in it's entirety.

Both sides should recognise and accept each others right to exist, and must not call for the destruction of the other, and then using indoctrination and ideology pursue that threat of destruction of the other side.
You may claim that this indoctrination is a result of the Pallies current circumstances, but bear in mind this happens in other places like the UK where a number of of clerics are jailed for this.

Do you have any links or references to Israel calling for the destruction of the Palestinians? - we can provide many links showing Hamas calling for the destruction of Israel.

I guess the US vetoed the UN statement on the current conflict because it only called for Israel to stop the aggression, with no mention of Hamarse and their aggression.

I believe that the same forces that currently hamper peace in Iraq, are also at work with Hamarse.

 

[Frankie]

When religion and politics ride in the same cart, the whirlwind follows

True.