The Middle East Conflict Thread

rwenzori said:
LOL - I've explained it to you time and again - I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you. :D

We should just call out our points by post number here, we've been around and around so often. :D
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And I've told you if you don't accept the UN Resolution then there is no need to accept any UN resolution or decision. As such Israel can do what they want because they are violating no international law or resolution. The Palestinians might as well hold on, if thats the case, because it matters not if Palestine exists. This is all supposing you don't agree with the legality of the State of Israel unlike 136 other nations, but then again 80% of the world is probably wrong, hey?
 
timgaul said:
Wow heaven forbid the selfish Arabs give up a tiny little piece of land when they have so much already. Where oh where would the Palestinians go, I'm guessing not to the other Arab countries since they must view them as the scum of the earth as they are unwilling to accommodate them.

Does this picture not make you laugh about how little land the Jews have and how much the Arabs have? How exactly is the Arab world under threat again?
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Lol selfish... ya sure take away the Arabs land and give it to the Jews...
Of all the land in the world, why put them there? Send them to the moon...
If the Palestinians go, the zionists win...
Whoever decided to put the jews there should take them away and all the fighting will stop...
 
JK8 said:

Lol selfish... ya sure take away the Arabs land and give it to the Jews...
Of all the land in the world, why put them there? Send them to the moon...
If the Palestinians go, the zionists win...
Whoever decided to put the jews there should take them away and all the fighting will stop...
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LOL. So they invaded the Arab land?
 
timgaul said:
And I've told you if you don't accept the UN Resolution then there is no need to accept any UN resolution or decision. As such Israel can do what they want because they are violating no international law or resolution. The Palestinians might as well hold on, if thats the case, because it matters not if Palestine exists. This is all supposing you don't agree with the legality of the State of Israel unlike 136 other nations, but then again 80% of the world is probably wrong, hey?
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Answered previously.
 
sox63 said:
In my limited understanding of the history of Israel, IMO, the problem is that the Arab nations that inhabited the land that was now "given" to form Israel, were not happy about the plan from the get go. And I can understand why.
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They would never have been anyway. That is why we have the United Nations, it was a decision made by the organisation that attempted to facilitate both sides after the impasse.

By the way, look how much land the Arab world lost! At least 1%!

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/4035/israelioccupationofarabsx8.jpg
 
JK8 said:

Lol selfish... ya sure take away the Arabs land and give it to the Jews...
Of all the land in the world, why put them there? Send them to the moon...
If the Palestinians go, the zionists win...
Whoever decided to put the jews there should take them away and all the fighting will stop...
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And that is the attitude that is getting Palestinians killed. Wow, you must have deep insite into the mind of Hamas. Back to the real world where clouds aren't made of marshmallows: you know that can't happen especially since the Jews are in the majority in that region. Where would 65% of the population go, since the were born there? Or did you not factor the real logistics into your little anti-Israel rant?
 
timgaul said:
That is why we have the United Nations, it was a decision made by the organisation that attempted to facilitate both sides after the impasse.
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But just remember that Israel gets to pick and choose the UN resolutions it wants to obey: so far only about 1 - the dodgy colonialist one that they use to justify their existence, even though they did not abide by it.
 
rwenzori said:
But just remember that Israel gets to pick and choose the UN resolutions it wants to obey: so far only about 1 - the dodgy colonialist one that they use to justify their existence, even though they did not abide by it.
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Are you not doing the same thing?
 
timgaul said:
And that is the attitude that is getting Palestinians killed. Wow, you must have deep insite into the mind of Hamas. Back to the real world where clouds aren't made of marshmallows: you know that can't happen especially since the Jews are in the majority in that region. Where would 65% of the population go, since the were born there? Or did you not factor the real logistics into your little anti-Israel rant?
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Would you put them there?
I imagine a zoo keeper trying to find a cage for a leopard... lets give them a piece of the lions den.... hmmm

They can exist if they want, just not where they are now, its a war that wont stop. Even if Israel "takeover" Palestine, its still holy land and still surrounded by Arab countries.
Give them a piece of Australia!! Then everyone can live in peace!!
 
timgaul said:
That I know is wrong.

See why you need to give your sources? But since you feel it unnecessary I'm just going to state you are incorrect and merely spreading propagandist nonsense.
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I've posted the link before...
The Balfour Declaration of 1917 (dated 2 November 1917) was a classified formal statement of policy by the British government stating that the British government "view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people" with the understanding that "nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country." [1]
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rwenzori said:
But just remember that Israel gets to pick and choose the UN resolutions it wants to obey: so far only about 1 - the dodgy colonialist one that they use to justify their existence, even though they did not abide by it.
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And yes, you're doing the exact same thing. You either accept all of them or none of them.

You have yet to bring up a Resolution that Israel has breached, and yes we already discussed that Resolution 242 is not a good example due to a semantic dispute.
 
rwenzori said:
LOL yes - but I will acknowledge it. ;)
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So what the UN says doesn't matter? If that is the case then Israel can do what it wants since the only law that would seem to apply is that possession is 9/10s of the law.
 
timgaul said:
And yes, you're doing the exact same thing. You either accept all of them or none of them.

You have yet to bring up a Resolution that Israel has breached, and yes we already discussed that Resolution 242 is not a good example due to a semantic dispute.
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Your "semantic dispute" is a crock, and you know it. There are plenty lists on the web of others - go look for yourself. Oh, and your next semantic dispute that UN resolutions are mostly "recommendations" is a red herring too as that is the nature of UN resolutions. Israel have breached many, and remain in breach of many. So either "accept all of them or none of them."
 
timgaul said:
So what the UN says doesn't matter? If that is the case then Israel can do what it wants since the only law that would seem to apply is that possession is 9/10s of the law.
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Israel does what it wants anyway - that does not make it right, and they must not then whine when rocketed for occupying 9/10ths of the land. ;)
 
rwenzori said:
Israel does what it wants anyway - that does not make it right, and they must not then whine when rocketed for occupying 9/10ths of the land. ;)
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Pity they're so inaccurate they do little damage - just give Israel an excuse to blow up another Gaza town. Fine, I can live with that.
 
rwenzori said:
Your "semantic dispute" is a crock, and you know it. There are plenty lists on the web of others - go look for yourself. Oh, and your next semantic dispute that UN resolutions are mostly "recommendations" is a red herring too as that is the nature of UN resolutions. Israel have breached many, and remain in breach of many. So either "accept all of them or none of them."
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Except the drafters state that Israel is not in violation of the Resolution, as such the UN agrees the Israel is not in violation. So, sorry you can't breach a UN Resolution if the UN doesn't believe you've breached it.

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