The Middle East Conflict Thread

If that is the case why the need to invade Gaza again? Or is the Israeli justification just more lies?

If I shoot at you but miss due to my own inaccuracy is that not still attempted murder? Or would you just shrug it off and say: "Well at least he didn't hit me"?

Your statement is completely ludicrous. Firing missiles on a country is an act of war whether you are capable of hitting something or not.
 
Except the drafters state that Israel is not in violation of the Resolution, as such the UN agrees the Israel is not in violation. So, sorry you can't breach a UN Resolution if the UN doesn't believe you've breached it.

If you read the dispute carefully, the "main drafter" did not want the 1967 line to be permanent because Israel had already taken other parts not agreed to in 1948.

Knowing as I did the unsatisfactory nature of the 1967 line, I wasn’t prepared to use wording in the Resolution that would have made that line permanent. Nonetheless, it is necessary to say again that the overwhelming principle was the ‘inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war’ and that meant that there could be no justification for the annexation of territory on the Arab side of the 1967 line merely because it had been conquered in the 1967 war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_242

by "Lord Caradon, chief author of the resolution".

Clear breach, whichever way you want to wriggle.
 
How much do YOU really know... this has been addressed before... the IDF went in to destroy tunnels that Hamas were making under the border with plans to resume the suicide bombings and to capture more Israeli soldiers.

So who broke the truce???

Lets see.. did they cross over the border?? You quick to point out tunnels yet never acknowledge the blockades for the last 18 months and how basic stuff can't even get in. If you think its such a fair deal go live in gaza? under the conditions Israeli's are enforcing and then see what tune you sing.
 
Lets see.. did they cross over the border?? You quick to point out tunnels yet never acknowledge the blockades for the last 18 months and how basic stuff can't even get in.

You forget to mention the 697 rockets and 822 mortar bombs which were fired at Israeli towns prior to the blockade.

Also Gaza does have a border with Egypt.
 
Are you not doing the same thing?

Seeing that old timgaul has quietened down for a bit, maybe a fuller explanation.

Firstly, yes - caught out!

Secondly, I see the UN as an organisation that has changed and grown over time, from a smallish one, not all that representative, more under the influence of the WWII Allies including the old colonial powers, to a much larger and more representative one. The original Partition Plan resolution was passed by 30 ( +3 "due to United States pressure" ) votes out of 56, with 10 abstentions. The plan did not call for taking the wishes of the inhabitants into account ( Jewish and Arab ), and was voted against by ALL surrounding countries then in the UN, including Greece, India and Turkey. The plan was also a stuffup in terms of allocation of territory, percentage-wise, but then they all started fighting, the Arabs attacked, the Jews escalated the guerrilla war they had been busy with prior to the plan, and it ended up with Israel taking far more than granted in the plan. So I battle to see that the state of Israel in 1949 was fully legal.


The UN has become way more representative - in 1967 it had 123 members, and so on. The growth leads to greater validity of its wishes. But the veto rights of the 5 countries in the security council, and the political influence of some of the bigger members ( the USA for one ) means that resolutions that most member states might want are either never brought up, or vetoed. I suppose that that means that resolutions that are passed generally do reflect the wishes of the majority of nations. Depending on definition, there are about 200 sovereign states in the world, so from about 1961 on the UN gets fairly representative ( 103 members, over half the world ), in the rwenzori book of the UN LOL!
 
You forget to mention the 697 rockets and 822 mortar bombs which were fired at Israeli towns prior to the blockade.

Also Gaza does have a border with Egypt.

So make it Egypt's problem? Israel created this mess, they should deal with it!

Israel controls the Gaza, Rafah- Egypt border!


The announcement came after 25 trucks carrying aid and medical supplies were unable to pass through the Gaza-Egypt border at Rafah on Sunday, CNN's Karl Penhaul reported.


from the propaganda machine itself:

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/05/gaza.humanitarian/index.html
 
Israel controls the Gaza, Rafah- Egypt border!

Not true, from wiki:

Egypt had pledged to help control their border with Gaza along the Israeli Gaza Strip barrier subsequent to the Israel's unilateral disengagement plan which ended their 38 year occupation of Gaza in 2005. U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice brokered a deal with Israel giving the Palestinian National Authority control over the Rafah Border crossing under the remote video observation of European Union and Israeli monitors (q.v. European Union Border Assistance Mission Rafah
 
Israel made it's own bed, I think it's stupid to feel sorry for them when Palestinians are the ones who are forced off their land into camps and even Arabs in Israel are not allowed to buy land or marry Palestinians.

Yet they voted against Apartheid SA to save their ass.
 
Israel made it's own bed, I think it's stupid to feel sorry for them when Palestinians are the ones who are forced off their land into camps and even Arabs in Israel are not allowed to buy land or marry Palestinians.

Yet they voted against Apartheid SA to save their ass.

The palestinians also made their own bed, Voting a terrorist group into power. What were why thinking.
 
The palestinians also made their own bed, Voting a terrorist group into power. What were why thinking.

A group that Israel funded to counter the PLO, go figure...

Tell me... why were Jews or anyone able to buy land in Palestine while under Arab(and later British) rule but since the state of Israel only Jews have this choice yet the US calls this a truly democratic country. What a Joke.
 
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