The Middle East Conflict Thread

AvOk said:
What you guys fail to see/understand is there was no good will from Israel's side, they were occupying more land (before Hamas came to power in Gaza), creating more settlements. They were even controlling the borders!
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There is never any good will from Israel - only small concessions they use to make propaganda and spread disinformation about good will before militarily making the "concessions" completely ineffective.
 
MR.C said:
Isnt amazing how GOD administers justice?
Look at ariel sharons history, first as a soldier and then as a leader of israel. Just imagine the number of human lives he has taken. Now, look at him.
In a coma for almost 2 years, best doctors in the world cant do anything, only GOD knows what he's being put through, maybe its like a conversation or a live screening of all the wrong that he has done.
No prayers can help him, now its too late.
Its time for him to face his fate...
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You were banned and back already ;)
 
krycor said:
Antisemitism is stupid thing to bring up. Its a tired argument along with the holocaust as its the typical Zionist response when cornered for an answer.

I think the most memorable answer i saw in this thread is from marine where he justified the gaza conflict with the mumbai bombings. Its about as memorable as the one about muslim people headbanging in prayer as form of indoctrination :p
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Did I ? Please show me that statement.
 
icyrus said:
The formation of Israel may be a contentious point to people, but the cold hard truth of the matter is that it currently exists and you cannot go back in time to when it didn't. A solution that acknowledges this and gets on with it is the only possible way forward and is the only step people who truly want peace can take.

In the end, the whole situation is utterly futile. A pointless region given undue attention and influence.
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Yes, I agree and this is my view exactly. My solution(that I've posted before) would be one unified secular state with a secular constitution but both sides will have a hard time accepting this(in particular most Israeli citizens who will only accept a Jewish state).
 
krycor said:
Antisemitism is stupid thing to bring up. Its a tired argument along with the holocaust as its the typical Zionist response when cornered for an answer.

I think the most memorable answer i saw in this thread is from marine where he justified the gaza conflict with the mumbai bombings. Its about as memorable as the one about muslim people headbanging in prayer as form of indoctrination :p
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So what's the definition of a Zionist?
Is it this: "A Zionist is someone who believes Israel has a right to exist" ?
 
marine1 said:
I must be a Zionist and proud of it. ;)
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Interesting, I would not be proud of this! :rolleyes:

Zionist perhaps:

Before 1917, some Zionist leaders seriously considered proposals for Jewish homelands in places other than Palestine. Herzl's Der Judenstaat argued for a Jewish state in either Palestine, "our ever-memorable historic home", or Argentina, "one of the most fertile countries in the world." When the Zionist Movement rejected the Uganda Proposal, the Jewish Territorialist Organization (ITO) led by Israel Zangwill split off from the main Zionist movement. The territorialists attempted to establish a Jewish homeland wherever possible, but went into decline after 1917 and the ITO was dissolved in 1925.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Zionism
 
MR.C said:
Isnt amazing how GOD administers justice?
Look at ariel sharons history, first as a soldier and then as a leader of israel. Just imagine the number of human lives he has taken. Now, look at him.
In a coma for almost 2 years, best doctors in the world cant do anything, only GOD knows what he's being put through, maybe its like a conversation or a live screening of all the wrong that he has done.
No prayers can help him, now its too late.
Its time for him to face his fate...
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Except this happens to many people who aren't soldiers either. The man lived till 80 years old for crying out loud!
 
AvOk said:
Interesting, I would not be proud of this! :rolleyes:

Zionist perhaps:

Before 1917, some Zionist leaders seriously considered proposals for Jewish homelands in places other than Palestine. Herzl's Der Judenstaat argued for a Jewish state in either Palestine, "our ever-memorable historic home", or Argentina, "one of the most fertile countries in the world." When the Zionist Movement rejected the Uganda Proposal, the Jewish Territorialist Organization (ITO) led by Israel Zangwill split off from the main Zionist movement. The territorialists attempted to establish a Jewish homeland wherever possible, but went into decline after 1917 and the ITO was dissolved in 1925.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Zionism
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They should have went to Uganda!!!
So who now has the power to move Israel?
 
AvOk said:
What you guys fail to see/understand is there was no good will from Israel's side, they were occupying more land (before Hamas came to power in Gaza), creating more settlements. They were even controlling the borders!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/country_profiles/803257.stm#facts
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Israel withdrew their troops and dismantled their settlements in the Gaza strip! How is this not good will. You fail to see that even though the process was slow, it was happening. Hamas played on the slow rate of change and created a government that no longer backed the plan.

AvOk said:
At the heart of this is land, look at United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UN_Partition_Plan_Palestine.png

Today:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Is-wb-gs-gh_v3.png
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And for the umpteenth time: Palestine attacked Israel, they lost. Egypt and Jordan attacked Israel, they lost. See a pattern forming here?

AvOk said:
How can anyone dispute this? I don't support Hamas, for the 10th time, but I disagree with Israels hard line approach to a problem they created.

Hamas is in power because Fatah was largely seen as incompetent, corrupt and a puppet for Ariel Sharon and the Israeli government.
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Well Hamas has caused their people more ill than good, so was it worth it? Things have gone backwards as a result.
 
marine1 said:
I am proud to be a supporter of the state of Israel and for the Jews to finally have a home. Actually I am very proud.
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As they say in AOLland: Me too! :D

Although, I must living in Israel for a year did help mold my opinion in this case.

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Aqua_lung said:
Yes, I agree and this is my view exactly. My solution(that I've posted before) would be one unified secular state with a secular constitution but both sides will have a hard time accepting this(in particular most Israeli citizens who will only accept a Jewish state).
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Once again: 19% (a fifth) of Israel's population is Arab! Thats almost 1.5 million Arabs in the country already!
 
AvOk said:
Interesting, I would not be proud of this! :rolleyes:

Zionist perhaps:

Before 1917, some Zionist leaders seriously considered proposals for Jewish homelands in places other than Palestine. Herzl's Der Judenstaat argued for a Jewish state in either Palestine, "our ever-memorable historic home", or Argentina, "one of the most fertile countries in the world." When the Zionist Movement rejected the Uganda Proposal, the Jewish Territorialist Organization (ITO) led by Israel Zangwill split off from the main Zionist movement. The territorialists attempted to establish a Jewish homeland wherever possible, but went into decline after 1917 and the ITO was dissolved in 1925.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Zionism
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What exactly are you trying to say? :confused:
 
timgaul said:
Once again: 19% (a fifth) of Israel's population is Arab! Thats almost 1.5 million Arabs in the country already!
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That's why Israel has marriage laws to curb the growth, SA had marriage laws and were hated internationally for this yet Israel is free from criticism.
 
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