The Nicholas Ninow Rape Case and Trial

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It was because it was in the open out of the mothers arms in front of lots of witnesses and everyone was resharing the information like the getaway vehicle in case someone saw it.
Just like this case, the guy was caught red handed in a Dros with video footage, perfect cannon fodder for the media.
 

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By SA law you cannot name or take photos a minor even if his is the perpetrator. Thus by SA law there cannot be any outrage against an individual as that would be breaking the law. You clearly admit it yourself that he is a kid.

I am really disappointed in you using the race card when in this case it is clearly a legal issue of him being protected because he is a minor. Using racist terminology you are just like those twitter trolls you claim to be against.
There is no such thing as a 21 year old minor..
 

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It was because it was in the open out of the mothers arms in front of lots of witnesses and everyone was resharing the information like the getaway vehicle in case someone saw it. It didn't hurt the father was an international sportsman.
That sounds very similar to how information regarding this case broke, the only difference being that the father didn't take part in a sport that nobody cares about.
 

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It was because it was in the open out of the mothers arms in front of lots of witnesses and everyone was resharing the information like the getaway vehicle in case someone saw it. It didn't hurt the father was an international sportsman.
Pretty Similar to this incident. It happened in a public area where many people take their children and there was also video evidence so I simply don't see how this particular crime is propped up because the perp is white
 

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That sounds very similar to how information regarding this case broke, the only difference being that the father didn't take part in a sport that nobody cares about.
That case went viral as everyone wanted to find her so her picture was reshared everywhere. The picture of the Dros girl was never shared.
 

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Pretty Similar to this incident. It happened in a public area where many people take their children and there was also video evidence so I simply don't see how this particular crime is propped up because the perp is white
I never claimed to have a problem with the news popularity of the case. I have a problem where an individual is projected as reflective of a group of people and used in hate speech and political purposes.
That was immediately the case with this case. Example the BLF press release a few hours after it was first reported.
 

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I never claimed to have a problem with the news popularity of the case. I have a problem where an individual is projected as reflective of a group of people and used in hate speech and political purposes.
That was immediately the case with this case. Example the BLF press release a few hours after it was first reported.
The post I was replying to...

Child rape is nothing new, and is quite common among blacks. Rape in a restaurant toilet when someone has the opportunity is nothing new. Only a few cases of both will get reported on. So why will a white guy raping a black girl in a toilet be reported on? You just can't see what's right in front of you here.
 

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You wouldn't have. The girls testimony was sealed.

“The girl was able to inform the court that unlike had Ninow claimed, he had in fact followed her to the toilet. So he went there with the intention to harm the child.
So why all the other witnesses then? Their testimony was emotional and not factual.

Child rape is nothing new but child rape in the toilets of popular dinning places are uncommon and will therefore generate more publicity and will most likely be reported on.
We can all try to give justifications here but the fact is that none of the elements in this case are out of the ordinary.

I don't know South African law but my worry is that he is not going to get maximum sentence because from the little we know from his guilty plea was not penile to vaginal rape.

I really don't know if South African law classifies rape or if it differentiates between types of rape. I am afraid that our judicial system will get attacked and innocent victims of his ethnic group will get raped in retaliation if he doesn't get max sentence.
So sexual assault iow. That's something I pointed out early. We don't know what the medical report said about whether rape took place or not.

That sounds very similar to how information regarding this case broke, the only difference being that the father didn't take part in a sport that nobody cares about.
No information in this case also broke as a racial angle by EFF/BLF. Nobody can say that didn't have a big impact.
 

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So why all the other witnesses then? Their testimony was emotional and not factual.
Shows impact to others. Aggrivating circumstance. Waitress quit her job. Blames herself. Mother aw what no other mother should see.
 

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You guys can debate the uniqueness of the restaurant until the cows come home. To me it is irrelevant considering how regularly in SA kids in school are raped by teachers. The place you expect them to be safe and by the people you expect to protect them.

All I know is the politicians will make sure hell is going to break loose if Ninow doesn't get the maximum sentence which I think is life for rape.
With Malema being called the P word and being found with his fingers in VBS money he will use this case to claim whites have privilege to distract from his looting. Facts and law doesn't matter to him.He will label the SA judiciary as racist and millions will believe him which will further make the country go backward.

Zuma faction and its proxies BLF, ATM etc, I am sure will attack the SA judiciary.
 

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You guys can debate this or that. All I know is the politicians will make sure hell is going to break loose if Ninow doens't get the maximum sentence which I think is life for rape.
With Malema being called the P word and being found with his fingers in VBS money he will use this case to claim whites have privilege to distract from his looting. Facts and law doesn't matter to him.He will label the SA judiciary as racist and millions will believe him which will further make the country go backward.

Zuma faction and its hundreds of proxies BLF, ATM etc. I am sure they will attack the SA judiciary as well.
He deserves nothing less than the maximum. Nothing political about that.the fact that NPA also didn't drag this out for 2 weeks like you guys said is also proof that they did the right thing and was nothing political.

You are obsessed with race and being a victim. I hope you don't raise your kids with that victim mentality because then we will have the same problems we have now
 

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He deserves nothing less than the maximum. Nothing political about that.the fact that NPA also didn't drag this out for 2 weeks like you guys said is also proof that they did the right thing and was nothing political.

You are obsessed with race and being a victim. I hope you don't raise your kids with that victim mentality because then we will have the same problems we have now
I am not obsessed by race. I am extremely worried by the contextual hate speech statements made by politicians regarding this case. Context matters. That is why it is relevant. You can say it is irrelevant but it has greater ripple effects that you choose to ignore.

He will get the maximum but the question is what maximum? What if according to the law finger and oral rape doesn't get the same sentence as normal rape? Who the f knows what will happen?
 

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You are obsessed with race and being a victim. I hope you don't raise your kids with that victim mentality because then we will have the same problems we have now
Notice the forum has a couple of news stories about emigration every week. You ask yourself why? Notice in malls mostly old white people not middle aged or young. No one wants to be a victim that is why people leave. They make the choice not to be a victim. You live in dream world if you think the majority white people plan to raise their kids in SA. Just look at the racial demographics by age. That ship sailed long ago.
 

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He deserves nothing less than the maximum. Nothing political about that.the fact that NPA also didn't drag this out for 2 weeks like you guys said is also proof that they did the right thing and was nothing political.
They still dragged it out with irrelevant emotional stuff. The waitress who's supposedly so traumatised now should have looked better after the kids. This reminds of how a widow will put on a big show of uncontrollable grief for a loss that happened 10 years ago. There's no need for that. Sentence the guy over the facts.

You are obsessed with race and being a victim. I hope you don't raise your kids with that victim mentality because then we will have the same problems we have now
Quite funny you claim we are obsessed with race when it's EFF and BLF that predictably played the race angle yet again. There is a common trend in this country but you choose to ignore it. Issues like this are racialised and used for political gain to draw attention from the bigger blight of corruption and political instability. Putting on blinkers and pretending it doesn't exist won't help you.
 

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Quite funny you claim we are obsessed with race when it's EFF and BLF that predictably played the race angle yet again. There is a common trend in this country but you choose to ignore it. Issues like this are racialised and used for political gain to draw attention from the bigger blight of corruption and political instability. Putting on blinkers and pretending it doesn't exist won't help you.
I am well aware of the situation in our country. But the NPA had done nothing wrong here. For you to make it about race the way you did makes you no better than malema and BLF. Same fare mongering.

There is a reason BLF only got 15k in the last election. There's a reason why they try and devide the country. There is a reason malemas approval rating has dropped. What's your reasons for being obsessed and turning everything in to race? And why do you give blf airtime
 

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I am well aware of the situation in our country. But the NPA had done nothing wrong here. For you to make it about race the way you did makes you no better than malema and BLF. Same fare mongering.

There is a reason BLF only got 15k in the last election. There's a reason why they try and devide the country. There is a reason malemas approval rating has dropped. What's your reasons for being obsessed and turning everything in to race? And why do you give blf airtime
BLF got their speeches written by Bell Pottinger who created White Monopoly Capital campaign. Bell Pottinger was paid millions by the company jointly owned by Zuma Jnr and Guptas to assist the BLF to create a disinformation campaign for the purpose of distracting from corruption and money laundering. Both Guptas and Zuma jnr who communicated with Bell Pottinger regarding the BLF disinformation campaign.

Zuma is just as active politically than when he was president. His deployments are still everywhere. That's why Ramaphosa is a lame duck and Zuma is South Africa's unofficial president.

If BLF and ATM got no no votes them who is funding them now? No one works for free. Who pays their bills? Don't be ignorant. They are proxies for the Zuma faction. Everyone knows it.

If no action has been taken regarding the billions in money laundered then surely the Bell Pottinger campaign has worked and is still working today.
 

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I am well aware of the situation in our country. But the NPA had nothing wrong here. Fir yoh to na e it about race the way you did makes you no better than malema and BLF. Same fare mongering.

There is a reason BLF only got 15k in the last election. There's a reason why they try and devide the country. What's your reasons? And why do you give them airtime
You seem to be missing something here. The EFF and BLF did make it about race. We're not just saying that. Ignoring them doesn't help when they got a tenth of the votes and can get people to loot and vandalise shops. BLF may be irrelevant but they can still drive a good social media disinformation campaign. And where are they getting their money now that the Guptas are gone?

As for the waitress who cares about someone who couldn't properly look after the kids. The only ones who could rightfully be emotionally affected here are the mother and daughter. Nobody else should testify unless they could contribute to the facts. This was a soft target. So milk it for all it's worth while we're still waiting for a single case of state capture.

You're assuming here that all their actions are based on what's good for the victims with no politics involved.
 

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More weirdness. Being a journalist is not a good job in today's age. Too much hate going around.

The article below also incorrectly list the age as 5 instead of 7.


"Sanef has learnt with sadness of an incident on Wednesday where journalists Alex Mitchley of News24, Hanti Otto of Netwerk24 and Pule Letshwiti from e.tv were approached and threatened by a State witness in the Nicholas Ninow case," it said.

Ninow pleaded guilty on Wednesday to raping a 5-year-old at a Dros restaurant in Pretoria last year. He pleaded guilty to rape, possession of drugs and defeating the ends of justice, but not guilty to assault.

"According to Mitchley, the witness approached the journalists very angrily outside the Gauteng High Court in Pretoria on Tuesday during a tea break, asking why media houses named him.

"It was explained that there was no court order not to name the witness as he testified in an open court. He then looked at the journalists and said, in Afrikaans, that he was going to slit their throats, even making a throat-slitting gesture with his thumb while smiling and laughing.

“I told him to leave us alone and would inform the court of his threats. He tried following to apologize but I told him to get away from me as he had just threatened our lives,” Mitchley said.
 
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