The SA Politics Thread

[Inertia]

Sure, he Failed to act decisively and promptly against senior officials implicated in the corrupt tender for decontamination of schools despite the preliminary report given to him by SIU and refuses to make the report public.

He failed his own promises to make places available for 1st day school opening and funded vacancies not been filled, leading to unnecessary pressure on teachers who carry a greater load of work.

Failed to spend a large amount of his departments budget including building new schools and repairs to existing as well as incurring over R922 million in irregular department expenditure.

Lets also not forget to add this.

Lesufi apologises for promoting unapproved Chinese traditional medicine for treatment of Covid-19 | News24

Gauteng Education MEC Panyaza Lesufi has apologised for his role in a viral video in which he promotes a traditional Chinese medicine product for the treatment of Covid-19.

www.news24.com

Why are you confusing an ANC cadre with real-world progress? Rather compare them to levels of corruption and you'll see some impressive results

 

[Oldfut]

You must be confusing him with your KZN MEC, the guy is very far from being incompetent and useless, he is a good leader, a hard worker and a visionary, his track record in the department of Education is impressive.

Sure I am well aware that the troubles of the ANC are not going to be solved by one person,l but I still welcome his leadership of the province nonetheless, there are people living there, it's not all about the ANC.

Comical Ali is alive and well. All I perceive about Lesufi is that he loves a bit of race baiting which seems to take precedence over pupils stabbing each other and the like. Race over rape.

 

[wingnut771]

Shocking that 23% of people up to this point think they aren't.

23% of people "on twitter".

 

[JuliusSeizure]

23% of people "on twitter".

Twitter polls can't be taken seriously. The DA should have used a better platform to do this. You also have to consider that a large number of votes were from trolls and bots.

If they did something on the ground, it would have got a more accurate result.

 

[wingnut771]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1578039662274220034

How does it work in Provincial Elections with the Premier? Does a party need more than 50% or is it just the one with the most votes. For example, ANC is second and get 35% and DA get 36%, does the DA get Premier of the Province?

 

[JuliusSeizure]

For example, ANC is second and get 35% and DA get 36%, does the DA get Premier of the Province?

Not neccessarily. Coalition agreements are complicated and that is why they will get messy. Because the DA had the second most, they would be the favourite to get the position but that does not mean that they will as a coalition can be led by someone from another party as well.

If I recall, NMB had a UDM and AIC mayor for a while while it was going through a bad time and at the end of last election, there was also talk that Mashaba could be Joburg Mayor as part of ASA before Phalatse got the role. Come to think of it, it would have been more stable if the DA had agreed to let Mashaba be mayor as he is a better negotiator.

It also makes you wonder if the DA actually want what is best for SA or if they are also just power hungry and want their candidates to be in charge or else.

 

[R13...]

You really have an entirely unjustified opinion of that man.. He is entirely useless and incompetent. Even if he isn't corrupt, he won't do anything of any real value to the citizens of gauteng.

He's full of bluster and may well be corrupt maybe not for personal gain but that voice clip and the sanitizing of schools scandal shows he's at least sold on that ANC cadres should get tenders. And he implied he was helping them get tenders because they complained at some ANC meeting. That questionable ethics at best and corrupt ANC arrogance at worst. Then there's his obsessions with race and terrible lack of self awareness.

 

[JuliusSeizure]

What people don't realize about someone like Malema is that he is a businessman first before a politician. His decisions about coalitions are influenced by what will benefit his business interests behind the scenes. If a DA Presidency benefits that, he will back them in 2024 and find some logic but could pull out if he sees an ANC Presidency will earn him more money.

Malema is also very calculated. His issues with Indians conveniently also only started after a high ranking former Indian woman who was part of his party left and there were rumours that their relationship was more than just working colleagues.

 

[ToxicBunny]

He's full of blaster and may well be corrupt maybe not for personal gain but that voice clip and the sanitizing of schools scandal shows he's at least sold on that ANC cadres should get tenders. And he implied he was helping them get tenders because they complained at some ANC meeting. That questionable ethics at best and corrupt ANC arrogance at worst. Then there's his obsessions with race and terrible lack of self awareness.

100%...

So actually, we have a litany of questionable stuff from him, so if @TheChamp could detail a few of his impressive achievements as MEC for Education in Gauteng it would be useful.

 

[wingnut771]

Not neccessarily. Coalition agreements are complicated and that is why they will get messy. Because the DA had the second most, they would be the favourite to get the position but that does not mean that they will as a coalition can be led by someone from another party as well.

If I recall, NMB had a UDM and AIC mayor for a while while it was going through a bad time and at the end of last election, there was also talk that Mashaba could be Joburg Mayor as part of ASA before Phalatse got the role. Come to think of it, it would have been more stable if the DA had agreed to let Mashaba be mayor as he is a better negotiator.

It also makes you wonder if the DA actually want what is best for SA or if they are also just power hungry and want their candidates to be in charge or else.

I'm talking about the National Elections in '24. Is that not when we vote for Provincial Governments? I remember there always being 2 ballots. So lets say hypothetically the DA are no.1 with the most votes, lets say 35%, ANC get 30%, and then all the other smaller parties, does the DA win the Province and can elect their Premier?

Mayors are local government, not provincial government.

 

[JuliusSeizure]

So lets say hypothetically the DA are no.1 with the most votes, lets say 35%, ANC get 30%, and then all the other smaller parties, does the DA win the Province and can elect their Premier?

As far as I know if they don't have more than 50%, they will have the biggest say but it is not a certainty as other parties can also put forward candidates to lead the coalition.

That is the mess we could be in for once the ANC lose and I don't think other parties will be as easily conceding to the DA as has been the case in recent years, particularly as the DA have campaigned so negatively against "smaller parties".

 

[wingnut771]

As far as I know if they don't have more than 50%, they will have the biggest say but it is not a certainty as other parties can also put forward candidates to lead the coalition.

That is the mess we could be in for once the ANC lose and I don't think other parties will be as easily conceding to the DA as has been the case in recent years, particularly as the DA have campaigned so negatively against "smaller parties".

How did it work in WC when DA won by minority coalition when the anc lost or was that just the city and not the province, I can't remember now?

 

[JuliusSeizure]

How did it work in WC when DA won by minority coalition when the anc lost?

It was different times and the political landscape was different.

Zille who leads DA coalition talks also had a much better public image at that time so people were more eager and willing to concede to her.

 

[wingnut771]

It was different times and the political landscape was different.

Zille who leads DA coalition talks also had a much better public image at that time so people were more eager and willing to concede to her.

What is wrong with Zilles public image?

 

[wingnut771]

@C4Cat

Don't you want a straight talking politician that says it how it is?

 

[surface]

What an unflattering picture...

But congratulations to him, I personally look forward to his leadership, it will be said to lose him at basic education but he is in a position to make sure that all his plans are realised, my greatest worry has always been that he would be appointed a minister of some useless ministry in cabinet.

There is no redemption for him on the forum. He has made blasphemous statements. It is nearly like he has stated the facts about a well known prophet who would be a pedophile in today's times. There is a cult on mybb similar to muslim brotherhood. Fortunately, cult is toothless due to most of them not having in jobs.

 

[R13...]

What people don't realize about someone like Malema is that he is a businessman first before a politician. His decisions about coalitions are influenced by what will benefit his business interests behind the scenes. If a DA Presidency benefits that, he will back them in 2024 and find some logic but could pull out if he sees an ANC Presidency will earn him more money.

Malema is also very calculated. His issues with Indians conveniently also only started after a high ranking former Indian woman who was part of his party left and there were rumours that their relationship was more than just working colleagues.

Malema is no business man unless you classify rent seeking as business. He advances the business interests of people who pay him tribute.

 

[C4Cat]

@C4Cat

Don't you want a straight talking politician that says it how it is?

Does not compute...

 

[wingnut771]

Does not compute...

Ok, please spell it out for us dummies.

 

[R13...]

Ok, please spell it out for us dummies.

I think he's wondering what on earth you're on about.