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The Toyota Supra Thread
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2020 Toyota Subaru vs BMW Z4 M40i - Throttle House
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How much BMW Z4 is there in the new Toyota GR Supra? - AutoTrader
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July sales, interesting.
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"The Supra, meanwhile, ended on 26 registrations, compared with 13 for the BMW Z4."
https://www.carmag.co.za/news/indus...-10-best-selling-passenger-cars-of-july-2019/
https://www.carmag.co.za/news/indus...-10-best-selling-passenger-cars-of-july-2019/
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Calvin Fisher review
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Litchfield ECU Tune Pushes Toyota Supra To 420 HP (313 KW)
It’s no secret that the previous Toyota Supra was a playground for tuners. Predictably, tuners are itching to try out their own flavour with the new model. However, it was to the surprise of UK-based tuner Litchfield Motors when their dyno revealed that hardware upgrades are not strictly necessary when coming to tuning the BMW-sourced engine.
While BMW rates the Z4 M40i at 382 hp (285 kW) and 500 Nm in U.S. spec, Toyota claims a more subtle 335 hp (250 kW) and 495 Nm for the Z4’s mechanical twin. Nonetheless, Litchfield’s dyno suggests that Toyota is rather pessimistic with the Supra’s numbers as it displayed an output of 376 hp (280 kW) and 529 Nm of torque at the crank which are quite impressively close to those of the Z4 M40i sold in the U.S.
Litchfield’s curiosity though does not come from wanting to prove Toyota wrong, the tuner wanted to find out exactly how much power they are dealing with before putting into practice the big plans they have for the Japanese sports car. After running it on the dyno, Litchfield figured that it wouldn’t take much effort to get the Supra over the 400 hp (298 kW) mark and they were right. A simple software upgrade results in a spirited 420 hp (313 kW) and 597 Nm of twist! This kind of a jump is quite impressive as hardware components of the 3.0-litre turbocharged straight-six engine are left untouched. Thanks to BFlash, the ECU is easily programmed via the OBD port.
https://www.zero2turbo.com/2019/08/...-to-420-hp-thanks-to-litchfield-ecu-tune.html
It’s no secret that the previous Toyota Supra was a playground for tuners. Predictably, tuners are itching to try out their own flavour with the new model. However, it was to the surprise of UK-based tuner Litchfield Motors when their dyno revealed that hardware upgrades are not strictly necessary when coming to tuning the BMW-sourced engine.
While BMW rates the Z4 M40i at 382 hp (285 kW) and 500 Nm in U.S. spec, Toyota claims a more subtle 335 hp (250 kW) and 495 Nm for the Z4’s mechanical twin. Nonetheless, Litchfield’s dyno suggests that Toyota is rather pessimistic with the Supra’s numbers as it displayed an output of 376 hp (280 kW) and 529 Nm of torque at the crank which are quite impressively close to those of the Z4 M40i sold in the U.S.
Litchfield’s curiosity though does not come from wanting to prove Toyota wrong, the tuner wanted to find out exactly how much power they are dealing with before putting into practice the big plans they have for the Japanese sports car. After running it on the dyno, Litchfield figured that it wouldn’t take much effort to get the Supra over the 400 hp (298 kW) mark and they were right. A simple software upgrade results in a spirited 420 hp (313 kW) and 597 Nm of twist! This kind of a jump is quite impressive as hardware components of the 3.0-litre turbocharged straight-six engine are left untouched. Thanks to BFlash, the ECU is easily programmed via the OBD port.
https://www.zero2turbo.com/2019/08/...-to-420-hp-thanks-to-litchfield-ecu-tune.html
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Toyota GR Supra 3.0T (2019) Review
Fast Facts
Price: R1 072 300 (August 2019)
Engine: 3.0-litre 6-cylinder turbopetrol
Gearbox: 8-speed auto
Fuel economy: 7.7 L/100 km (claimed)
Power/Torque: 250 kW/500 Nm
Performance: 0-100 kph in 4.3 seconds (claimed)
Price and warranty (August 2019)
The Toyota GR Supra costs R1 072 300 (Prominent Red), R1 082 300 (Metallic Silver) or R 1 092 300 (Matte Grey), which includes a 4-services/80 000 km service plan and 3-year/100 000 km warranty. Customers can also purchase extended service plans via their Toyota dealer.
Verdict
Has Toyota taken BMW's recipe and made it even better? In some ways, yes. While this article focuses on the GR Supra, comparisons with its Z4 relative are inevitable. Past experience with the latter's M40i derivative suggests it's a brash and twitchy proposition when you pile on the pace; it requires dexterous steering inputs and vigilance with the throttle pedal, particularly on damp tarmac. By comparison, the GR Supra, thanks to its lighter mass and greater rigidity, tends to hunker down, grip and go, with minimal fuss, even in less-than-ideal conditions. The balance is superb – at no point do you sense the GR Supra is about to "turn around and bite you" – a fear that did lurk at the back of our minds when piloting the Z4.
While we can accept the use of a BMW straight-6 motor and the ZF-sourced 8-speed transmission (a match made in heaven), it's hard to ignore the plentitude of BMW switchgear in the Toyota's cabin. It's true that the Toyota 86's interior looks much like that of the Subaru BRZ and the Abarth 124 Spider's cabin closely resembles that of the Mazda MX-5. However, the GR Supra is not a rebadged clone of the Z4, that's abundantly clear from its striking and sinuous exterior styling. We just wish that more of the Toyota's distinctiveness could have spilled over into its (albeit smart) interior...
Should you buy one? If you're in the market for a gorgeous, engrossing new sportscar, one that provides an abundance of driving thrills and allows you to rediscover the lost art of driving, then go for it. The GR Supra is an eminent all-rounder. Past experience with performance vehicles suggests that while many of them are adept at tackling mountain passes or racetracks, they're often awful to drive on a daily basis. By contrast, the Toyota is refreshingly refined and happy to potter along at 40 kph in early-morning traffic jams. Its levels of specification and occupant comfort make it more than bearable and, as this reviewer's partner pointed out, "there's enough boot space for a weekend away, and it's not that bumpy". Praise indeed.
In conclusion, Toyota has created an attractive yet potent performer in the GR Supra. The car's easygoing nature made us want to drive it again and again and it notably reminded us that you don't need astonishing power at your right foot's disposal to have a jolly good time behind the wheel. We pitted the 3.0T against the BMW M2 Competition for a video shoot at Killarney and afterwards, our test team members were clamouring for the Supra key – everyone wanted to drive it home. If that doesn't speak volumes for how this car makes you feel, then we don't know what does.
https://www.cars.co.za/motoring_news/toyota-gr-supra-30t-2019-review/47186/
Fast Facts
Price: R1 072 300 (August 2019)
Engine: 3.0-litre 6-cylinder turbopetrol
Gearbox: 8-speed auto
Fuel economy: 7.7 L/100 km (claimed)
Power/Torque: 250 kW/500 Nm
Performance: 0-100 kph in 4.3 seconds (claimed)
Price and warranty (August 2019)
The Toyota GR Supra costs R1 072 300 (Prominent Red), R1 082 300 (Metallic Silver) or R 1 092 300 (Matte Grey), which includes a 4-services/80 000 km service plan and 3-year/100 000 km warranty. Customers can also purchase extended service plans via their Toyota dealer.
Verdict
Has Toyota taken BMW's recipe and made it even better? In some ways, yes. While this article focuses on the GR Supra, comparisons with its Z4 relative are inevitable. Past experience with the latter's M40i derivative suggests it's a brash and twitchy proposition when you pile on the pace; it requires dexterous steering inputs and vigilance with the throttle pedal, particularly on damp tarmac. By comparison, the GR Supra, thanks to its lighter mass and greater rigidity, tends to hunker down, grip and go, with minimal fuss, even in less-than-ideal conditions. The balance is superb – at no point do you sense the GR Supra is about to "turn around and bite you" – a fear that did lurk at the back of our minds when piloting the Z4.
While we can accept the use of a BMW straight-6 motor and the ZF-sourced 8-speed transmission (a match made in heaven), it's hard to ignore the plentitude of BMW switchgear in the Toyota's cabin. It's true that the Toyota 86's interior looks much like that of the Subaru BRZ and the Abarth 124 Spider's cabin closely resembles that of the Mazda MX-5. However, the GR Supra is not a rebadged clone of the Z4, that's abundantly clear from its striking and sinuous exterior styling. We just wish that more of the Toyota's distinctiveness could have spilled over into its (albeit smart) interior...
Should you buy one? If you're in the market for a gorgeous, engrossing new sportscar, one that provides an abundance of driving thrills and allows you to rediscover the lost art of driving, then go for it. The GR Supra is an eminent all-rounder. Past experience with performance vehicles suggests that while many of them are adept at tackling mountain passes or racetracks, they're often awful to drive on a daily basis. By contrast, the Toyota is refreshingly refined and happy to potter along at 40 kph in early-morning traffic jams. Its levels of specification and occupant comfort make it more than bearable and, as this reviewer's partner pointed out, "there's enough boot space for a weekend away, and it's not that bumpy". Praise indeed.
In conclusion, Toyota has created an attractive yet potent performer in the GR Supra. The car's easygoing nature made us want to drive it again and again and it notably reminded us that you don't need astonishing power at your right foot's disposal to have a jolly good time behind the wheel. We pitted the 3.0T against the BMW M2 Competition for a video shoot at Killarney and afterwards, our test team members were clamouring for the Supra key – everyone wanted to drive it home. If that doesn't speak volumes for how this car makes you feel, then we don't know what does.
https://www.cars.co.za/motoring_news/toyota-gr-supra-30t-2019-review/47186/
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New Toyota Supra already handed (313 kW!) performance injection
Earlier in 2019, CARmag.co.za reported that Toyota Supra chief engineer Tetsuya Tada said the A90-generation (check out local pricing here) was developed “with tuning in mind”. This statement did not go unnoticed, as the folks over at Litchfield have already upped the power of the Japanese sportscar.
According to the UK-based company, the B58 engine (which, of course, also powers the BMW Z4 M40i roadster) required only some straightforward remapping to increase its output. For the record, the standard Supra, which we recently sampled in Port Elizabeth, churns out a claimed 250 kW and 500 N.m of torque.
https://www.carmag.co.za/news/new-m...-already-handed-313-kw-performance-injection/
Earlier in 2019, CARmag.co.za reported that Toyota Supra chief engineer Tetsuya Tada said the A90-generation (check out local pricing here) was developed “with tuning in mind”. This statement did not go unnoticed, as the folks over at Litchfield have already upped the power of the Japanese sportscar.
According to the UK-based company, the B58 engine (which, of course, also powers the BMW Z4 M40i roadster) required only some straightforward remapping to increase its output. For the record, the standard Supra, which we recently sampled in Port Elizabeth, churns out a claimed 250 kW and 500 N.m of torque.
https://www.carmag.co.za/news/new-m...-already-handed-313-kw-performance-injection/
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The Toyota Supra Is Going To Get More Variants And Extra Power
The new Supra may offer impressive performance and more power than advertised, but that’s not where it ends. In an interview with Autoblog, chief engineer Tetsuya Tada says that there are going to be hotter versions with more power.
We already knew more power was possible. The Z4 M40i, which has the same engine as the Supra, produces 382 horsepower. And even the base Supra, which is supposed to make 335 horsepower, seems like it makes a lot more than that.
And Toyota wasn’t shy about the high ceiling for the car’s performance. The Supra is covered in fake vents that—Toyota claims—can be removed if customers want to provide more cooling. Now, our own Jason Torchinsky disagrees with that. But, if Toyota wants to make a hotter version of the Supra, it’s safe to say that they are more than capable of hollowing out the vents.
https://jalopnik.com/the-toyota-supra-is-going-to-get-more-variants-and-extr-1837146178
The new Supra may offer impressive performance and more power than advertised, but that’s not where it ends. In an interview with Autoblog, chief engineer Tetsuya Tada says that there are going to be hotter versions with more power.
We already knew more power was possible. The Z4 M40i, which has the same engine as the Supra, produces 382 horsepower. And even the base Supra, which is supposed to make 335 horsepower, seems like it makes a lot more than that.
And Toyota wasn’t shy about the high ceiling for the car’s performance. The Supra is covered in fake vents that—Toyota claims—can be removed if customers want to provide more cooling. Now, our own Jason Torchinsky disagrees with that. But, if Toyota wants to make a hotter version of the Supra, it’s safe to say that they are more than capable of hollowing out the vents.
https://jalopnik.com/the-toyota-supra-is-going-to-get-more-variants-and-extr-1837146178
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Supra with 2UR-GSE is what we need!!
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The Toyota Supra's day of reckoning has arrived
As racetracks go, windswept, patchy Llandow is not one of the world’s greats. But it is somewhere we can cut loose. As driving roads go, Llandudno’s jogger-heavy Marine Drive is not one of the world’s greats. But it does look very pretty in photographs. These are our bookends. And they’re handily distant from one another.
I might have almost planned it that way. What am I saying? I did. Because it’s what happens in between that’s important. On the B4268 and A470, the A494 and B4391, plus the B4501 that I desperately wanted to have time to do that day as we drove from morning in south Wales to a stunning sunset in the north, but didn’t. So we went there the next day instead.
The Toyota Supra is a sports car. Not a track car, so Llandow is chiefly a distraction, a chance to capture some drama and see what happens at the limit. Nor, says Toyota, is the Supra a GT. What it is, is a £50,000 alternative to the Porsche Cayman. An everyday-usable upwardly aspirational sports coupe. Like the BMW M2 Competition, or the Alpine A110. What a cracking line-up of cars. Seriously, I mean that – there’s not a duffer here. And each brings something different and exciting to the party: The Cayman brings mid-engined professionalism, the M2 brings boisterous manners, the Alpine brings flow and lightness and the Supra brings, well, another BMW actually. It’s a Z4 underneath.
But it’s not for everyone. We’ve been bred on German coupes for 20 years or more, and that’s hard to wean ourselves off. The Alpine is divisive due to its lack of luggage space, waywardness in crosswinds, infotainment, compactness even. I’d get it if you wanted to go Deutsch – either BMW or Porsche. I still haven’t forgiven Porsche for ditching the flat-six. The rest of the Cayman (even if the A110 does make it feel heavy-handed) is superb, but the M2 Comp beats it. It’s a barrel-chested, boisterous ripper.
The Supra is last. That it’s a swift, secure, handsome sports GT is beyond doubt. But the best sports car here? I’m afraid not.
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/big-reads/toyota-supra-vs-bmw-m2-vs-alpine-a110-vs-porsche-cayman
As racetracks go, windswept, patchy Llandow is not one of the world’s greats. But it is somewhere we can cut loose. As driving roads go, Llandudno’s jogger-heavy Marine Drive is not one of the world’s greats. But it does look very pretty in photographs. These are our bookends. And they’re handily distant from one another.
I might have almost planned it that way. What am I saying? I did. Because it’s what happens in between that’s important. On the B4268 and A470, the A494 and B4391, plus the B4501 that I desperately wanted to have time to do that day as we drove from morning in south Wales to a stunning sunset in the north, but didn’t. So we went there the next day instead.
The Toyota Supra is a sports car. Not a track car, so Llandow is chiefly a distraction, a chance to capture some drama and see what happens at the limit. Nor, says Toyota, is the Supra a GT. What it is, is a £50,000 alternative to the Porsche Cayman. An everyday-usable upwardly aspirational sports coupe. Like the BMW M2 Competition, or the Alpine A110. What a cracking line-up of cars. Seriously, I mean that – there’s not a duffer here. And each brings something different and exciting to the party: The Cayman brings mid-engined professionalism, the M2 brings boisterous manners, the Alpine brings flow and lightness and the Supra brings, well, another BMW actually. It’s a Z4 underneath.
But it’s not for everyone. We’ve been bred on German coupes for 20 years or more, and that’s hard to wean ourselves off. The Alpine is divisive due to its lack of luggage space, waywardness in crosswinds, infotainment, compactness even. I’d get it if you wanted to go Deutsch – either BMW or Porsche. I still haven’t forgiven Porsche for ditching the flat-six. The rest of the Cayman (even if the A110 does make it feel heavy-handed) is superb, but the M2 Comp beats it. It’s a barrel-chested, boisterous ripper.
The Supra is last. That it’s a swift, secure, handsome sports GT is beyond doubt. But the best sports car here? I’m afraid not.
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/big-reads/toyota-supra-vs-bmw-m2-vs-alpine-a110-vs-porsche-cayman
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Manual Toyota Supra Coming But Not From Toyota
Many Supra fans and purists around the world are still crying that the new offering does not have a good old manual option as Toyota decided to leave the ZF eight-speed automatic as the lone gearbox.
If you really want a third peddle and a stick to shift, European Auto Group (Texas-based) has set their sights on a Toyota Supra manual conversion. This team has already built the worlds only Ferrari 430 Scuderia with a gated manual and are nearly done with the first manual Ferrari 458 Italia in the world too.
The owner of EAG, Art Bartosik, recently told CarBuzz that the first MKV Supra manual swap is currently underway and “we are now taking customer deposits.” All those people who said they’d buy the Supra if it came with a manual can finally stop their crying because EAG is ready to answer their prayers.
The cost of this is “around $12,000 for parts and labour” and will take “between 30 to 45 days to complete.”
EAG will dig into the BMW OEM parts bin which should mean that the transmission will fit perfectly to the B58 engine.
While they are at it, EAG is partnering with ProTuning Freaks in Canada who will also upgrade your Supra to around 420 to 430 horsepower if you so wish.
https://www.zero2turbo.com/2019/08/manual-toyota-supra-coming-but-not-from-toyota.html
Many Supra fans and purists around the world are still crying that the new offering does not have a good old manual option as Toyota decided to leave the ZF eight-speed automatic as the lone gearbox.
If you really want a third peddle and a stick to shift, European Auto Group (Texas-based) has set their sights on a Toyota Supra manual conversion. This team has already built the worlds only Ferrari 430 Scuderia with a gated manual and are nearly done with the first manual Ferrari 458 Italia in the world too.
The owner of EAG, Art Bartosik, recently told CarBuzz that the first MKV Supra manual swap is currently underway and “we are now taking customer deposits.” All those people who said they’d buy the Supra if it came with a manual can finally stop their crying because EAG is ready to answer their prayers.
The cost of this is “around $12,000 for parts and labour” and will take “between 30 to 45 days to complete.”
EAG will dig into the BMW OEM parts bin which should mean that the transmission will fit perfectly to the B58 engine.
While they are at it, EAG is partnering with ProTuning Freaks in Canada who will also upgrade your Supra to around 420 to 430 horsepower if you so wish.
https://www.zero2turbo.com/2019/08/manual-toyota-supra-coming-but-not-from-toyota.html
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Toyota Supra vs Honda Civic Type R - Kelley Blue Book