Toll gate and bikers

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wazup said:
While on the subject...saw a biker at Emperors Palace the other night doing the same (skipping through the boom with another car, without paying), and one of my fellow passengers in the car mentioned they are allowed to do so at casinos...is this true? I've never heard of such a rule, but stand to be corrected.
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Many malls and such specifically have shorter booms so bikes can pass them easily so usually not even required to tail gate.

Not sure if the documented anywhere and could just be the accepted norm and therefore they make it easier.

Again it opens a whole can of worms because you would be charged the same otherwise but if you dared to use a car bay you paid the full price for you will have a scratched or even thrown over bike when you come back guaranteed.


There is often also a problem of parking booms not detecting bikes and if someone uses it regularly they would know this and plan accordingly.

And as Blu said the ticket is a nightmare to handle. I’ve ripped my lips off so many times holding the thing and it drying out. Or worse losing it somewhere in the process that you end up skipping the boom either way.
 
Sinbad said:
Mine doesn't. And you still need to take off the armoured gloves to have any kind of dexterity in your fingers
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I have a pocket on top of my left wrist, easy to unzip and swipe card. Takes the same time as a car with gloves on.

Don't think clothing should be a reason for not paying. Don't pay if you disagree or just want to break the law. No other
 
SaiyanZ said:
Does driving on the white line make bikers more visible then? If so, how?
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Yes.

Reduced time in blind spots.

How often can you see the manufacturer logo of cars around you?

Very rarely is the answer. You only see cars because of their extremities where the headlights are.

Now put a bike on the middle of the lane they are where that logo would be. The body is too narrow and therefore they become invisible much more of the time.

When lane splitting the blind spot come is vastly reduced.

It’s why you’ll see (good bikers) still to the sides of lanes even when not splitting.

That and the oil factor in the middle of the lanes.

I’m on mobile now but could draw you a picture if need be in a day or two.
 
SauRoNZA said:
Again it opens a whole can of worms because you would be charged the same otherwise but if you dared to use a car bay you paid the full price for you will have a scratched or even thrown over bike when you come back guaranteed.
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Weird. I see motorcycles in bays all the time and they've always been upright. Even weirder is that invariably the dedicated motorcycle parking spots tend to be vacant. :confused:
 
bwana said:
Weird. I see motorcycles in bays all the time and they've always been upright. Even weirder is that invariably the dedicated motorcycle parking spots tend to be vacant. :confused:
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You live in a more forgiving part of the world than Big Smoke...
 
f2wohf said:
It’s funny because European bikers have a colder climate, all have gloves and warm jackets and they all pay their tolls without NFC.

Would they have found a magic trick to take out the magic glove ?

Anyway, it’s the law, you pay tolls and put your tickets in parkings. I’d actually be ready to pay for one to be arrested, the excuses here are such utter BS.

When I forget my wallet in my jacket which is at the back of the car or in the boot, I still pay my toll, I don’t tailgate somebody...

For the tariff excuse, my car is 500kg lighter than a Ranger, why would I pay the same price than a Ranger ? Shouldn’t I get a different price ? It’s the tariff, you pay it. You can write to SANRAL or MPs to complain, did you even try bikers ?
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Don’t the Euro tolls usually pull of to the side to go pay first and then pass through?

That’s how I’ve generally seen them operate unless it’s a case of the bikers doing that on purpose to avoid this issue.

As for complaining they actually do stage protests and things about this kind of thing or have on the past. It’s why eTolls have a reduced free because the bikers basically stopped traffic by riding like cars for a day.

Also just to educate you 500kg is nothing in the scheme of things when comparing cars.

It is however 2-3 bikes alone. And the average 2 ton car is literally ten bikes so you can hopefully understand the economies of scale at play.

In the same way you don’t want to be paying truck’s price for the toll or license fee, bikes want the same weight based calculation.

And that calculation pretty much amounts to free, so why not just let them pass?

They are already congestion reducing vehicles.
 
bwana said:
Weird. I see motorcycles in bays all the time and they've always been upright. Even weirder is that invariably the dedicated motorcycle parking spots tend to be vacant. :confused:
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Where specifically?

The bike on it’s side was an exaggeration although it does happen.

Worse still are the parents who things it’s a free for all and will let their kids just climb on it as if it was their property.

People have zero respect.
 
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SauRoNZA said:
Where specifically?
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BayWest Mall, today. Scooter parked in a bay even though the dedicated bays were wide open. I see the same scooter almost daily so it's a preference of theirs.
 
bwana said:
BayWest Mall, today.
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No idea even where that is.

But Canal Walk, Waterfront and Tygervalley it’s been an issue.

Worst are the neighbourhood corner shop type places where parking is even free.
 
SauRoNZA said:
Yes.

Reduced time in blind spots.

How often can you see the manufacturer logo of cars around you?

Very rarely is the answer. You only see cars because of their extremities where the headlights are.

Now put a bike on the middle of the lane they are where that logo would be. The body is too narrow and therefore they become invisible much more of the time.

When lane splitting the blind spot come is vastly reduced.
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Is this fact or your opinion? Seems odd that things become invisible in certain spots. A bike/car will always be in a blind spot at some point when passing another vehicle. Whether on the white line or in the middle of the lane.

I also thought that the painted lines are quite slippery if slightly wet. Given that, it seems like it would be much more dangerous for a biker to drive on the line.
 
SaiyanZ said:
Is this fact or your opinion? Seems odd that things become invisible in certain spots. A bike/car will always be in a blind spot at some point when passing another vehicle. Whether on the white line or in the middle of the lane.

I also thought that the painted lines are quite slippery if slightly wet. Given that, it seems like it would be much more dangerous for a biker to drive on the line.
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Fact.

It’s called physics and/or trigonometry combined with statistics.

It’s also why it’s slowly but surely being legalised in America because they’ve woken up to the fact that motorcycle road deaths tie in directly with a lack of lane splitting when compared to lane splitting legal states like California.

There will always be blind spots, but the fact is it’s vastly reduced through lane splitting.

And yes the painted lines are very slippery when wet, which is why nobody actually rides on them but rather next to them.

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Found a decent image to demonstrate.

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See how much longer the bike would be in the blind spot if travelling in the centre of the lane? Or worse riding wide.

It’s also partly why it’s recommend for bikes to travel 10-15km/h than surrounding traffic to reduce time in the blind spot.

Beyond the physical blindspot there is also the psychological phenomenon whereby people simply don’t see bikes even while looking directly at them, because they expect to see cars. Happens even to me as a biker on the odd occasion, especially the buggers riding with no lights.

There is also just less sheet metal to catch your eye so even looking at a bike straight ahead you don’t see it.

Which is why lane splitting is further safer behind cars don’t see bikes behind cars as they merge with the lights and the number one cause of injury is being rear ended like that.

I tried not to lane split for all of one week before I got rear ended in broad daylight in a 60 zone.

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Obviously this excludes the lunatics going crazy land speed record style between cars.

Fastest I’ll go between 1st - 2nd gear stop go traffic is 35-40km/h and I consider that pushing it. I have years of experience reading the road by now and know what to look for.

50,000km odd without incident lane splitting. Before that 40,000 odd km and by and large my own mistake for going too fast and locking the rear because I wasn’t paying attention and/or ignoring the signs.
 
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Did this thread just get modded for some random reason?

I got a notification @bwana posted but then there’s nothing.
 
SauRoNZA said:
Did this thread just get modded for some random reason?

I got a notification @bwana posted but then there’s nothing.
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In a sense I suppose. I deleted my own post.
 
Shame shame shame.

After reading about the hassle of having remove gloves , open a zipper and make a payment at a toll gate, I realize what a hassle and inconvenience it must be.

It's the same hassle if you desperately wanted to go to the toilet. In that case, do you just let it go in your pants .... filthy people.

And to the guy who made the dare above :
I accept
 
midnightcaller said:
Shame shame shame.

After reading about the hassle of having remove gloves , open a zipper and make a payment at a toll gate, I realize what a hassle and inconvenience it must be.

It's the same hassle if you desperately wanted to go to the toilet. In that case, do you just let it go in your pants .... filthy people.

And to the guy who made the dare above :
I accept
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Allow me to dedicate this song to you

https://youtu.be/8-r-V0uK4u0
 
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