Ubuntu updates Hardy

Amount of viruses/malware/other schit removed from my single windows box: countless
Amount of viruses/malware/other schit removed from all my *nix boxen combined box: zip/nothing/nada/zilch/niks/fsckall

Gee.. tough choice.. Which OS shall I use?
 
Deenem said:
No problem with that, but if I'm looking for a *stable* OS/distro then apprarently Ubuntu is not going to be that for me.

All I want is something that I can install and use without having to bother with new updates and fixes everyday.

I think most 'normal' PC users want stability rather that 'newness' and if the Ubunutu people are going to win over the 'normal' users they're going to seriously rethink this constant update cycle.
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You don't HAVE to bother with them.

On other operating systems, there are also constant issues found with it. The difference is that the Ubuntu developers actually fix them and release the results. Ubuntu really is stable enough without having to constantly patch it. If you decide not to get the security updates, then it's pretty much like Windows ANYway.

I'm really struggling to see the problem with them releasing updates saying "Hi guys. We've found a few issues and fixed them. You can get the results here... For free... Enjoy"
 
Gru said:
Amount of viruses/malware/other schit removed from my single windows box: countless
Amount of viruses/malware/other schit removed from all my *nix boxen combined box: zip/nothing/nada/zilch/niks/fsckall

Gee.. tough choice.. Which OS shall I use?
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Amount of viruses/malware/other schit removed from my single windows box: zip/nothing/nada/zilch/niks/fsckall
Amount of viruses/malware/other schit removed from all my *nix boxen combined box: zip/nothing/nada/zilch/niks/fsckall (because I don't have one :o)

Anyway, the Heron doesn't seem to have been as Hardy as originaly thought hehehe
 
supersunbird said:
Amount of viruses/malware/other schit removed from my single windows box: zip/nothing/nada/zilch/niks/fsckall
Amount of viruses/malware/other schit removed from all my *nix boxen combined box: zip/nothing/nada/zilch/niks/fsckall (because I don't have one :o)

Anyway, the Heron doesn't seem to have been as Hardy as originaly thought hehehe
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No dodgy stuff on your Windows box ever? Do you have an internet connection at ALL ? :p
 
Just updated all my computers, was smooth... and as I updated weekly before then, it was not a huge update :)

Got two machines running Ubuntu and three running kubuntu :cool:

Did all the updates on local only.

Gonna grab the new CD image now :p
 
sn3rd said:
I'm really struggling to see the problem with them releasing updates saying "Hi guys. We've found a few issues and fixed them. You can get the results here... For free... Enjoy"
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The problem is that for ordinary users, logging on everyday to be told that there are updates to install has the follwing results:

- It interrupts what they doing, it's a nuisance, it's an annoyance. I don't want to be constantly interrupted when I'm trying to use my computer.

- It creates the impression that there are security risks. That your computer is not safe and needs to be updated to make it safe.

- It cannot be easily disabled. There is no easy wasy of disabling the updates.

I am honestly pushing all this 'constructive' criticism because I want Ubunutu to be a user friendly operating system that everyone finds easy to use, but I think the update system is a complete usability failure.

Obviously the 'geeks' decided that they wanted push all these updates down to force everyone to have the latest and greatest, and now all the ordinary users have to suffer from the resulting instability.

P.S. When I talk about instability, I'm referring to user interface instability, not software instability. In my opinion the user interface should be as stable as the underlying software. The update system in Ubunutu is a classic example of an unstable user interface.
 
Deenem said:
The problem is that for ordinary users, logging on everyday to be told that there are updates to install has the follwing results:

- It interrupts what they doing, it's a nuisance, it's an annoyance. I don't want to be constantly interrupted when I'm trying to use my computer.

- It creates the impression that there are security risks. That your computer is not safe and needs to be updated to make it safe.

- It cannot be easily disabled. There is no easy wasy of disabling the updates.
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- When there is an update available a small icon in the panel flashes. I attend to it when I want to (by clicking on the icon). When the updates run, they are downloaded (from a local repo) and applied in the background - I can check on their progress but don't have to intervene. No restart is required.

- Hey, there are security risks. My computer does need to be updated to keep it safe. If you believe otherwise, you're being naive or an idiot.

- My update manager can be told to check for updates on a daily, weekly or monthly basis. Each update is graded from 1 -> 5, where 1 is a critical security fix and 5 is a feature enhancement. I can select to be told about only level 1 updates, or any any level. I have complete granular control over which updates I install (tick or untick).

Given that updating software on any networked computer is a necessary evil, I'm not sure how much more user-friendly it could be?
 
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chiskop said:
- When there is an update available a small icon in the panel flashes. I attend to it when I want to (by clicking on the icon). When the updates run, they are downloaded (from a local repo) and applied in the background - I can check on their progress but don't have to intervene. No restart is required.

- Hey, there are security risks. My computer does need to be updated to keep it safe. If you believe otherwise, you're being naive or an idiot.

- My update manager can be told to check for updates on a daily, weekly or monthly basis. Each update is graded from 1 -> 5, where 1 is a critical security fix and 5 is a feature enhancement. I can select to be told about only level 1 updates, or any any level. I have complete granular control over which updates I install (tick or untick).

Given that updating software on any networked computer is a necessary evil, I'm not sure how much more user-friendly it could be?
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I agree. Has anyone ever noticed how M$ bugs you about upgrading? Because I have a permanent internet connection my Ubuntu checks daily, which doesn't bother me. It only gives me a thumbs up at startup (which is pretty rare) and lets me know there are updates.
Whoever said you cannot "disable updates" with Ubuntu should wake up and smell the ubuntu beans, or at least install Ubuntu first.
 
froot said:
Whoever said you cannot "disable updates" with Ubuntu should wake up and smell the ubuntu beans, or at least install Ubuntu first.
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Just to jump off topic for a moment:

You obviously enjoy using Ubuntu;
The best way to make sure that Ubunutu can keep going, is to get more and more people to use it;
When people like me take the time to point out something that could be improved on, then it's opportunity to make a change that's going to make it easier for more ordinary people to use Ubuntu;
If you get all defensive and shout down people who try to point out things that they think can be improved on, all you're doing is driving people away from using it by making sure that nobody ever offers up suggestions for improvement.

So my question to you is; by shouting me down and telling me I'm being stupid, you will be a direct cause of Ubunutu stagnating and not being adopted by more people. So why do you want to do that if you enjoy using Ubuntu so much?
 
Deenem said:
Just to jump off topic for a moment:

You obviously enjoy using Ubuntu;
The best way to make sure that Ubunutu can keep going, is to get more and more people to use it;
When people like me take the time to point out something that could be improved on, then it's opportunity to make a change that's going to make it easier for more ordinary people to use Ubuntu;
If you get all defensive and shout down people who try to point out things that they think can be improved on, all you're doing is driving people away from using it by making sure that nobody ever offers up suggestions for improvement.

So my question to you is; by shouting me down and telling me I'm being stupid, you will be a direct cause of Ubunutu stagnating and not being adopted by more people. So why do you want to do that if you enjoy using Ubuntu so much?
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Okay, point one:
- It interrupts what they doing, it's a nuisance, it's an annoyance. I don't want to be constantly interrupted when I'm trying to use my computer.
- It creates the impression that there are security risks. That your computer is not safe and needs to be updated to make it safe.
- It cannot be easily disabled. There is no easy wasy of disabling the updates.
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1: I've never seen the update notification interrupt anything, in all the years of using Ubuntu (from Ubuntu 5.xx)
2. There would not be security updates if there were no security risks. That's the idea of an update. But not only to repair flaws, but also to provide better or extra functionality.
3. Answered previously, it should take you no longer than 15 seconds to disable or change updates.

Point 2.
So my question to you is; by shouting me down and telling me I'm being stupid, you will be a direct cause of Ubunutu stagnating and not being adopted by more people. So why do you want to do that if you enjoy using Ubuntu so much?
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Maybe you should read carefully:
froot said:
Whoever said you cannot "disable updates" with Ubuntu should wake up and smell the ubuntu beans, or at least install Ubuntu first.
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If you want me to spell it out: Make sure you are not making a mistake in your statement(s) when posting it online. I did it once and people "shouted me down and told me I was stupid". I don't do that. I simply correct you.
 
@froot:

You haven't answered my question which was:

Why should I make an effort to improve Ubuntu, by pointing out things that I think could be improved upon, when people like you just use the opportunity to shout me down and tell me I'm being stupid?

Do you really think reacting like that is going the get more people to start using Ubuntu, or it just going to drive people away?
 
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Is it possible to download the smaller cd iso of 8.04.1 and integrate it into the dvd of 8.04? Would you just install 8.04 and then update from the 8.04.1 iso?
 
If you run the updater, most people will already have 8.04.1 :D
 
Threepwood said:
Is it possible to download the smaller cd iso of 8.04.1 and integrate it into the dvd of 8.04? Would you just install 8.04 and then update from the 8.04.1 iso?
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The consensus seems to be that 8.04.1 is fully self-contained, so it's the full Ubuntu 8.04 install, just with all the latest updates included. So you can use it as you would use the original 8.04 CD, no need to integrate it. (Can't explain why the ISO would be smaller though)
 
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Deenem said:
@froot:

You haven't answered my question which was:

Why should I make an effort to improve Ubuntu, by pointing out things that I think could be improved upon, when people like you just use the opportunity to shout me down and tell me I'm being stupid?

Do you really think reacting like that is going the get more people to start using Ubuntu, or it just going to drive people away?
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Froot wasn't shouting you down - froot was just pointing out the error in your statement. If you don't know something just ask (I always do:D) instead of assuming it can't be done;).

Oh, constructive criticism is always welcomed:).
 
Saule said:
Oh, constructive criticism is always welcomed:).
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Thanks, it's just a pity you're in the minority with your welcome.

Too often I see people who've decided to switch to Linux, come into forums like this for some discussion, only to be chased out and told to 'Go back to Windows if you don't like it'. So they go back to Windows and Linux looses out.

I don't think desktop Linux stands a chance as long as that keeps going on.
 
Deenem said:
Why should I make an effort to improve Ubuntu, by pointing out things that I think could be improved upon, when people like you just use the opportunity to shout me down and tell me I'm being stupid?
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The problem is that you said, as part of your constructive critisism that "It cannot be easily disabled. There is no easy wasy of disabling the updates." to which froot replied "Whoever said you cannot "disable updates" with Ubuntu should wake up and smell the ubuntu beans, or at least install Ubuntu first." and "it should take you no longer than 15 seconds to disable or change updates."

It's like me saying that Windows can't do graphics, which it obviously can, and then getting upset when people shout me down. You did not ask a question, you stated a "fact" which was wrong.
 
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