Uncapped ADSL: The solution for bandwidth hogs

I am still trying to understand this term bandwidth hogs, because if someone uses more that other people (the norm) does it make them a hog?

I though that if ISP's offered an uncapped account thenone is able to use one's product in an uncapped way. No cap is what uncapped means. That means that one is able to use as much bandwidth as one needs, so how does this relate to hogs.

If an ISP does not like people using more than xxGB (what ever the number is) then they should put caps back on and get on with there lives.

In an uncapped world there is no such thing as a bandwidth hog. they are just high end users.


That is my 2cents worth
 
This makes my blood boil. Don't market your product as "Uncapped! Use as much as you like!" and then whinge about "bandwidth hogs". Are we forgetting what "uncapped" means? Its just stupid.

And legality has sweet ****all to do with it, if I want to download every linux distro ever released with my "uncapped" account, then let me do it. If not, call the product something else.

These companies should be prosecuted for false advertising, its not 4Mbps uncapped if it becomes 56kbps uncapped after 60GB.
 
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Agreed, and you'd be surprised the people who seem very happy to quote back propoganda in response to 'overuse'.

If you have a 200GB / 30 GB / 10GB throttling, user-restricing policy, then it's not uncapped... it's a 200GB / 30GB / 10GB account... with a throttled but unlimited service after you hit your cap.

ISPs/Tier 1's also say that 3% of the market use 40% of the bandwidth. OK - well provision for it or don't sell it. Don't just try and compete in a market incorrectly/potentially fraudulently.

There is a LOT of false advertising allowed in this country and it seems that most people have 2 responses when i bring this up 'well this is Africa' and 'well you have to say that it seems fair them doing this'...

Unfortunately, my response is - NOT WHEN THEY MARKET IT AS SOMETHING IT IS NOT!!!

Please guys, put yourself in the position of a judge on this point and don't just say what you think... you have to admit and then complain when a product is being sold as something it is not. No matter how unsustainable, reasonable, blah, blah blah you think it is...
 
I see a lot of this echoing what what I think too :D

I blogged about it a while back that Uncapped != restricted. Or at the very least, reduce my costs pro-rata so that I'm paying for the 128k I'm getting.
And as before - high usage doesn't mean pirating or even hogging. If you can't handle the load of having people use their lines to the max then don't supply it.

And as far as ISPs complaining that people are using their lines 24/7... well yes. What exactly did you expect?
 
pkid said:
Just stop pirating...or prosecute people who pirate stuff. Traffic from home users would fall 90%. Why should we subsidise people who want to steal?
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You can overload a connection easily by purchasing stuff online. There are many sites (not all in English) which provide stuff, many of them are free and provide streaming episodes of TV shows,
or whole movies. These are all legal (licensed).

The whole world is fine, SA should not be different - remember the 2-3GBs you download, someone else subsidizes and he's downloading a few hundred MBs.
 
Sigh !!

Unfortunately this argument is mute, the isp's have every right to restrict usage if the term "shaped" is included into the contract, they can however not limit the amount of time or data used, just the speed. Which is and always has been the case as the package we buy says 384 kbps yet we rarely see anything above 40 kbps download speed.

My 2 cents to this is how dare they (isp's) offer a uncapped service and then bitch about how much we use it, tongue in cheek or not this post is a flame to get a response from us users :twisted:
 
Great IDEA the WUG

Bought a kit 2 months ago, I have fairly decent signal, but not connecting properly to other people.

I could be the next highsite overlooking the whole of jhb, Sandton, Northcliff, but have had NO concrete help,
been treated like sh*t on the forums, where they are supposed to help you.

Seems if you are not a UBER-network admin you get treated like sh*t.

Some guys were willing to help, but for a new guy trying to get going it is a nightmare. There are no dedicated guys
who can come to your house and help, I would be willing to pay, but no friggin help.

I must say the guys in Pretoria are jacked on the wug, really helpful, but a bit too far too help me.

So yes, think twice before forking out for a kit.

So yes I have given up sitting on the IRC for hours trying to get help.

I also understand most guys work in the day get home late like all of us, but surely there must be a little bit more help than
getting told to read the faq

ANYONE Want a WUG Kit - R1500
 
coolbiscuit said:
Great IDEA the WUG

Bought a kit 2 months ago, I have fairly decent signal, but not connecting properly to other people.

I could be the next highsite overlooking the whole of jhb, Sandton, Northcliff, but have had NO concrete help,
been treated like sh*t on the forums, where they are supposed to help you.

Seems if you are not a UBER-network admin you get treated like sh*t.

Some guys were willing to help, but for a new guy trying to get going it is a nightmare. There are no dedicated guys
who can come to your house and help, I would be willing to pay, but no friggin help.

I must say the guys in Pretoria are jacked on the wug, really helpful, but a bit too far too help me.

So yes, think twice before forking out for a kit.

So yes I have given up sitting on the IRC for hours trying to get help.

I also understand most guys work in the day get home late like all of us, but surely there must be a little bit more help than
getting told to read the faq

ANYONE Want a WUG Kit - R1500
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I can sympathise with you.... but it is just a user's group, not a business. Nobody is under any obligation to help you.

But therein lies the problem. My experience is that the guys are nice and all, but it is very hard to break into the clique and get the help you need.

Not their fault I guess... my fault for not knowing how stuff works.

The standard answer I always get is to log onto the IRC channel which is useless to me... cos when you get on other you have no farking clue what they are talking about and you have to wait for so and so to sort you out who will be by later in a few hours.

If it was a business that I could pay for it would be better. Some of these guys should consider going into the installation business! :D
 
Pirates

pkid said:
Just stop pirating...or prosecute people who pirate stuff. Traffic from home users would fall 90%. Why should we subsidise people who want to steal?
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I would have to disagree to this statement because there are terabytes of stuff that you can download for free that us SA cant download. in witch if we are paying for uncaped data we should be
allowed to download. If we have sighned up for a 384k line we are entitled 384k it shouldent be throttled we did not sighn up for a 128k line if you cant offer a uncaped line then they must not give it. This is a example. I am interested programming Microsoft has tone's of tutrial Videos for on Visual basic and free software on this topic. Iant use my uncaped line on doing those lagal downloads. These statements come from people that have no idea about all the lagal stuff you can do on the internet in witch we dont have the bandwith to provide or what we are led to beleave by the majour players in the game so they can inflate the prices.
 
daffy said:
No, the real problem is that you're expecting an uncontended product.
You're paying for a contended product, so thats what you get. But you are a "hog", because you're expecting to be able to use it at 100% of full capacity all the time. Thats not fair on the other users you're contending with.

You're thinking like a BMW driver. Its your road, and you'll drive however you want. Screw the other drivers.
Its not your road, there are other drivers, and they have just as much right to the road as you do.
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+ infinity
 
waynerau said:
I would have to disagree to this statement because there are terabytes of stuff that you can download for free that us SA cant download. in witch if we are paying for uncaped data we should be
allowed to download. If we have sighned up for a 384k line we are entitled 384k it shouldent be throttled we did not sighn up for a 128k line if you cant offer a uncaped line then they must not give it. This is a example. I am interested programming Microsoft has tone's of tutrial Videos for on Visual basic and free software on this topic. Iant use my uncaped line on doing those lagal downloads. These statements come from people that have no idea about all the lagal stuff you can do on the internet in witch we dont have the bandwith to provide or what we are led to beleave by the majour players in the game so they can inflate the prices.
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What terabytes of "free" stuff would the average home user who these packages is aimed at want to download? After you have rented a few movies from Axxess, backed up your whole family pictures folder, bought 4 games off Steam, downloaded Windows updates and maybe a Linux distro for good measure you are still not up to 100 gigs for the month...
 
waynerau said:
I would have to disagree to this statement because there are terabytes of stuff that you can download for free that us SA cant download. in witch if we are paying for uncaped data we should be
allowed to download. If we have sighned up for a 384k line we are entitled 384k it shouldent be throttled we did not sighn up for a 128k line if you cant offer a uncaped line then they must not give it. This is a example. I am interested programming Microsoft has tone's of tutrial Videos for on Visual basic and free software on this topic. Iant use my uncaped line on doing those lagal downloads. These statements come from people that have no idea about all the lagal stuff you can do on the internet in witch we dont have the bandwith to provide or what we are led to beleave by the majour players in the game so they can inflate the prices.
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I agree, I do Graphics as well as IT and sometimes have to use a courier to get artwork to Cape Town or George, I sometimes have files of about 700 - 800 meg that have to go to and from clients with changes being made.

If I transfer these files over FTP, it will kill the bandwidth speed just as fast as any P2P.

So I agree with u waynerau

Uncapped should mean UNCAPPED

I use torrents mainly for TV shows, which are 100% legal as u can watch most of them free over the net
the day after they have aired.

I would also love to actually watch what I want on YouTube and not stress about a cap.
 
daffy said:
No, the real problem is that you're expecting an uncontended product.
You're paying for a contended product, so thats what you get. But you are a "hog", because you're expecting to be able to use it at 100% of full capacity all the time. Thats not fair on the other users you're contending with.

You're thinking like a BMW driver. Its your road, and you'll drive however you want. Screw the other drivers.
Its not your road, there are other drivers, and they have just as much right to the road as you do.
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Im sorry Daffy, are you saying that I should pay for a product advertised as uncapped and then not expect to be given that? Thats like saying (in your analogy) I should buy a bmw and then drive it as it was say a vw. Because its what? Socially correct? Bottom line is if its advertised as such and paid as such I should, if I so desire use it as such. Expecting anything different is downright socialistic.
 
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coolbiscuit said:
Great IDEA the WUG

Bought a kit 2 months ago, I have fairly decent signal, but not connecting properly to other people.

I could be the next highsite overlooking the whole of jhb, Sandton, Northcliff, but have had NO concrete help,
been treated like sh*t on the forums, where they are supposed to help you.

Seems if you are not a UBER-network admin you get treated like sh*t.

Some guys were willing to help, but for a new guy trying to get going it is a nightmare. There are no dedicated guys
who can come to your house and help, I would be willing to pay, but no friggin help.

I must say the guys in Pretoria are jacked on the wug, really helpful, but a bit too far too help me.

So yes, think twice before forking out for a kit.

So yes I have given up sitting on the IRC for hours trying to get help.

I also understand most guys work in the day get home late like all of us, but surely there must be a little bit more help than
getting told to read the faq

ANYONE Want a WUG Kit - R1500
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Been there done it - TWICE (shame on me)

+1 BTW.
 
Seriously? Come on people it's uncapped! As in no limit! Don't offer a service and then cry about it when people start using it. And as for pirating that's not the reason because all the protocols are heavily shaped.Yes people download but their are legal reason for downloading too, Steam for one and with cheaper uncapped more people can afford to buy games online.Plus Youtube and Facebook are also bandwidth hogs.Then you got movie and music streaming,online gaming,skype and a dozen other uses.
People want to use the Internet they paid for how can you blame someone for being a hog for using what he has the right to use?
It's like buying a bus and then being told I can only carry half the people I am allowed to. Stupid,stupid,stupid!
 
ave said:
im wary of wugs I must admit- if you could buy a kit and pay someone to install it then its a different story, but iv taken a look at these self setup pages and its like reading twilight- I just dont get it.....
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Definitely +100
 
pkid said:
Just stop pirating...or prosecute people who pirate stuff. Traffic from home users would fall 90%. Why should we subsidise people who want to steal?
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We probably have to accept that there will always be ignorant fools that don't have an idea as to what they are talking about. To download windows server with the tool disks from Microsoft MSDN (All legal!) is about 10Gb. Downloading Visual Studio 2010 also close to that, and that is just the start. Troll!
 
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