Uncapped ADSL: The solution for bandwidth hogs

The only way the content I seek is getting onto a WUG, is if one of the users gets this from the interwebs. That will be the demand of many a user, this I guarantee you:sick: why say its available there if it clearly won't be - nah, don't think I will jump ship soon.

I love being a hog, why thank you very much.:twisted:
 
WUG's are a great way of P2P sharing, although the only downfall is that u have to be IN LINE OF SITE of either a tower or another user, i tried to join this a while back but because of huge trees thats in my way it wont get a clear signal, also the setup of a WUG tower can run in excess of R25000 a tower.

IF you are in line of sight, then u can get a wug kit for about R1500 or a second hand one for less than R800.

If they could find a way to have the wug run off of a satalite dish and improve the signal, then this would be the ideal for thousands.

Go check out the site for all the info you will need if you want to join the WUG or want to start your own.
http://www.wug.za.net/
 
this like a press release for wug ? :D

i'm curious how wug for example is going to help with:

a little education for those who can't seem to grasp the concept that some of us actually really use the internet for other things than what they would normally associate usage with. however i suppose i can't really blame them if that is the only exposure they have been exposed to and automatically go ZOMG series, movies, games and applications when confronted with a lot of bandwidth or can't seem to realize how some other people are using more than what they would consider normal. clearly most or and some other people just don't know what else is out there imho...

...to the usage.
steam - anything from 500 meg up to 10 gig and even more per game title legally bought.

ign - patches, demos, previews and clips of mostly games. also can get quite huge thinking of nowadays demos weighing in at least 1gig+. not to forget HD streams and so on from them.

direct 2 drive - mostly same idea as steam. buy a game and download it directly, aslo anything from 500 meg up to 10 gig.

beta testing of games - yep online testing of coming mmos and even some other non mmo developers does this. anything from 2 to 5+ gig a shot. then there will also be the constant patches and content being added to the beta testing.

test clients (mmo) - some of us likes to play around on the test clients of mmos and that too can get a lot to download at times. the test client which normally equals the non-test client (5+ gig) and as well as the patches and content being added and removed on a more than normal basis.

msdn/technet training - anything from 50-250meg a video can get quite a lot when you go though a few courses being presented.

msdn software - same as with beta/test clients if you go for application testing and excluding the released applications. normally from 1-3+ gigs. for releases software, well the normal sizes it would be like around 3 gig for windows 7.

vpn to work - just add a normal day of network traffic, documents you might work on and everything else that needs to be seen and worked on to complete an 8 hour day of work or less. also throw in some server administration and maybe some reporting on the side too, not to mention if you have to pull and push large files over the vpn.

HD streams via xbox - it starts at 2 gig a flick, goes up to 5/6 gig for proper HD flick via xlive. this does not include the total pay tv series you can get via sky i think. there is also the getting games with their direct 2 console thing. slap any released xbox game onto that which easily weighs in at around 7 gigs.

video conferencing - anyone who have done a bit of proper video conferencing know that it takes a lot of content in size.

upload of work - try doing some digital painting and design for someone in a foreign country, trust me uploading each set of raws can get really huge.


...and this is not even all of the things one could do to really use your bandwidth. bit tiresome of when some go ZOMG you must be pirate, how else can you use 50-150 gig a month ? or lol the isp geez these ****ers must only be into pirating since they decided they actually want to use our product and not just go some oom and tannie via facebook.


Update to list
Voicy -
game development videos - 60-100mb each

Pilgrim -
Online stores that sell digital copies, eg Amazon, Audible, iTunes (need international account for that, but possible) etc.
MMO with VOIP - over 3 gigs for w/e

warchylde -
Citrix - RDP tool when working from home
SIP/AIX (VOIP) - VOIP connectivity to Office PBX (this can be quite a hog)
Linux Distros
Linux Distro updates everytime a VM is reinstalled (between 450GMB and 1.5GB depending on what's installed)
Uploading of VM's to a datacentre.
Microsoft updates for test servers (no indication of amount.)
 
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I remember reading an article a year or so ago about an isp doing a very innovative thing.
They realised that they wont be able to stop ppl pirating so they did a remarkable thing by altering any .torrent file that their users downloaded.
Inserted into each .torrent file was a reference to a tracker that the isp hosted themselves. So everytime someone downloaded something the isp cached a copy for themselves on their own servers, this resulted in one user downloading a new torrent and subsequent users downloading rather from the isp's own copy. Was quite interesting since the isp used a lot less bandwidth suddenly and the users were over the moon since their downloads were coming from a local source and subsequently was a lot faster in downloading.

Personally thats the solution an isp that's worried about bandwidth hogs should adopt. Hardware solutions are very rarely the answer and expecting all your users to fork out extra cash(easier to draw water from rock voluntarily) for something they perceive they are already paying for would be quite hard to do.

http://torrentfreak.com/isp-speeds-up-customers-bittorrent-downloads-090418/
 
These ISP's that throttle and complain about so called bandwidth hogs must get a life! Thats just a lame excuse to shift blame and say those users are causing the network speed problems.
If these "bandwidth hogs" just make out such a small portion of the total user base how can they bring down a whole network?
Dont blame P2P. A person can download the exact same amount if not more of http data.
I mean go look at the uncapped usage stats on axxess's website. Nobody has been going on about that. Just now all of a sudden with these uncapped offerings coming out people are complaining left right and center.

This indicates only one thing to me. Dont offer a service when you dont have a proper network and sufficient bandwidth supply. The more a ISP shapes = the more pethetic their network is.

WUG's are great but wont help in this situation. All content shared on WUG's have been download by someone some where. So it doesn't stop the source of the issue. 99.9% off all good content comes from the international websites so unless we can globally be connected by a WUG in some way, it doesn't help much.
 
This article is more like propoganda.

'Bandwidth Hogs' just makes me laugh... it's almost as if this has been written by an ISP - and one that has something to lose from actually selling a service marked as 'uncapped'.

STOP QUESTIONING THE CUSTOMER AND GET YOUR HOUSE IN ORDER!!! SELL WHAT YOU SAY OR SELL SOMETHING ELSE!!!

I would really be grateful if rpm started quoting what articles were Companny Press Releases and what are not and find a separate section for them. News does not constitute one ISP launching a product that every other ISP has done as well...

Articles like this really don't help the progression of the marketplace at all. WUGs are great but the average customer wants what they buy and not an add-on or alternative so they can do what they want. The SA ISPs need to provide the service they are selling, WUG or not... fullstop.
 
this like a press release for wug ? :D

i'm curious how wug for example is going to help with:

a little education for those who can't seem to grasp the concept that some of us actually really use the internet for other things than what they would normally associate usage with. however i suppose i can't really blame them if that is the only exposure they have been exposed to and automatically go ZOMG series, movies, games and applications when confronted with a lot of bandwidth or can't seem to realize how some other people are using more than what they would consider normal. clearly most or and some other people just don't know what else is out there imho...

...to the usage.
steam - anything from 500 meg up to 10 gig and even more per game title legally bought.

Nope, wug cannot help there. I have been thinking of setting up a webafrica adsl account with access to WAGE and routing traffic to and from it over the wug. But the adsl line will be a rather huge bottleneck.

ign - patches, demos, previews and clips of mostly games. also can get quite huge thinking of nowadays demos weighing in at least 1gig+. not to forget HD streams and so on from them.

There are a lot of HD previews and lots of demos on the wug. You just need one guy to download it and all the rest can enjoy them too.

direct 2 drive - mostly same idea as steam. buy a game and download it directly, aslo anything from 500 meg up to 10 gig.

Nope, sorry. Cannot help there.

beta testing of games - yep online testing of coming mmos and even some other non mmo developers does this. anything from 2 to 5+ gig a shot. then there will also be the constant patches and content being added to the beta testing.

test clients (mmo) - some of us likes to play around on the test clients of mmos and that too can get a lot to download at times. the test client which normally equals the non-test client (5+ gig) and as well as the patches and content being added and removed on a more than normal basis.

I have seen a few beta clients of MMO games on the wug. Star Trek Online, AION, WoW patches, etc. It is not as fast as downloading it yourself, but you can get it for free if someone else also happens to enjoy MMO games.

msdn/technet training - anything from 50-250meg a video can get quite a lot when you go though a few courses being presented.

msdn software - same as with beta/test clients if you go for application testing and excluding the released applications. normally from 1-3+ gigs. for releases software, well the normal sizes it would be like around 3 gig for windows 7.

Have seen a few of this on the wug. Lots of technical people on the wug, so if one of them downloads a beta, RC or training videos he can share it.

vpn to work - just add a normal day of network traffic, documents you might work on and everything else that needs to be seen and worked on to complete an 8 hour day of work or less. also throw in some server administration and maybe some reporting on the side too, not to mention if you have to pull and push large files over the vpn.

Won't help you with overseas links, but you can set up a vpn between two computers on the wug. Make of that what you want...

HD streams via xbox - it starts at 2 gig a flick, goes up to 5/6 gig for proper HD flick via xlive. this does not include the total pay tv series you can get via sky i think. there is also the getting games with their direct 2 console thing. slap any released xbox game onto that which easily weighs in at around 7 gigs.

Nope.

video conferencing - anyone who have done a bit of proper video conferencing know that it takes a lot of content in size.

Over the wug it is possible, we sometimes have teamspeak meetings on the wug too. Not of any use if you need to chat with someone not on the wug.

upload of work - try doing some digital painting and design for someone in a foreign country, trust me uploading each set of raws can get really huge.

Wug cannot help here.

...and this is not even all of the things one could do to really use your bandwidth. bit tiresome of when some go ZOMG you must be pirate, how else can you use 50-150 gig a month ? or lol the isp geez these ****ers must only be into pirating since they decided they actually want to use our product and not just go some oom and tannie via facebook.


Update to list
Voicy -
game development videos - 60-100mb each

These videos can be shared over the wug.

Pilgrim -
Online stores that sell digital copies, eg Amazon, Audible, iTunes (need international account for that, but possible) etc.

Nope.

MMO with VOIP - over 3 gigs for w/e

No use for you and your overseas friends, but if you and a few other wuggers play together you can teamspeak for free, thus saving bandwidth.
warchylde -
Citrix - RDP tool when working from home
SIP/AIX (VOIP) - VOIP connectivity to Office PBX (this can be quite a hog)

Wug cannot help here, unless both the work and home are on the wug. We don't want people to use the wug for work related tasks though.

Linux Distros
Linux Distro updates everytime a VM is reinstalled (between 450GMB and 1.5GB depending on what's installed)

There are linux mirrors on the wug (2 i think)

Uploading of VM's to a datacentre.

Won't help here though.

Microsoft updates for test servers (no indication of amount.)

There is a WSUS server on the wug. (Microsoft update server)

Also, we are experimenting with anti virus update servers too.

As can be seen, the wug can actually help you quite a lot. It is what you make of it.
 
WUG's are great but wont help in this situation. All content shared on WUG's have been download by someone some where. So it doesn't stop the source of the issue. 99.9% off all good content comes from the international websites so unless we can globally be connected by a WUG in some way, it doesn't help much.

Wrong instead of 100 people trying to get it via the adsl net now only 1 need to and the other 99 can get it from him via the wug
 
WUG's are a great way of P2P sharing, although the only downfall is that u have to be IN LINE OF SITE of either a tower or another user, i tried to join this a while back but because of huge trees thats in my way it wont get a clear signal, also the setup of a WUG tower can run in excess of R25000 a tower.

IF you are in line of sight, then u can get a wug kit for about R1500 or a second hand one for less than R800.

If they could find a way to have the wug run off of a satalite dish and improve the signal, then this would be the ideal for thousands.

Go check out the site for all the info you will need if you want to join the WUG or want to start your own.
http://www.wug.za.net/

Where can I get second hand kit?
 
This article is more like propoganda.

'Bandwidth Hogs' just makes me laugh... it's almost as if this has been written by an ISP - and one that has something to lose from actually selling a service marked as 'uncapped'.

STOP QUESTIONING THE CUSTOMER AND GET YOUR HOUSE IN ORDER!!! SELL WHAT YOU SAY OR SELL SOMETHING ELSE!!!

I would really be grateful if rpm started quoting what articles were Companny Press Releases and what are not and find a separate section for them. News does not constitute one ISP launching a product that every other ISP has done as well...

Articles like this really don't help the progression of the marketplace at all. WUGs are great but the average customer wants what they buy and not an add-on or alternative so they can do what they want. The SA ISPs need to provide the service they are selling, WUG or not... fullstop.

amen.
 
lol some funny views expressed here :D

/Wonder how many people are in the habit of buying something they never intend to use...
 
would like it if I could get someone to test wug strength at my place before investing cash. Looking at the wug map, there is a possibility I might have LOS but there might be a hill in the way, cant quite figure outthe geography.

Also, last time I tried getting some answers on IRC I was pretty much just ignored. even the "Hello"went unanswered so that put me off a bit
 
As can be seen, the wug can actually help you quite a lot. It is what you make of it.

not really if you want

legit msd downloads, you do know that they are pre-pidded per your license. that's why i pay a ****load for mine per year not to have it coming from jack **** joe.
digital distribution if bought games, movies, music and applications.
latest test clients for certian mmos.
dude, not all of us just work for local only companies, what do we do who work for multi international tiered companies ?
other international clients who needs raws as i said.
proper voip/conferencing.


...let's face it. wug is great for the ****s who want piracy locally or local only things. for us who actually really use the internet apart from getting latest XXX, game, application or any illegal acquired media it is useless. we are magically branded bandwidth hogs by the isps who know jack **** themselves just be cause we can use it more extensivly than your average noob who will be most welcomed at wug for piracy. this is propaganda, and i would not be surprised it wug passed a lollie to get it posted as the so called messiac saviour for those who are "hogs"
 
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+1 What the hell do you think is going to happen if you sell "Uncapped" I mean WTF? Wake up and sell the coffee. Uncapped means no limits. If you can't sell what you advertise then don't advertise that! I don't even use Bit Torrent or P2P, My main source of Downloads is from Hotfile and RapidShare and as far as I know these are http traffic, yet i find myself constantly throttled.

Its not the consumers fault if the ISP's can't cope with the influx of users! Afrihost particularly!
 
...god it's tiring the assumption of Usage Must be piracy, Must be p2p, Must be torrenting; get out under rock ? the only person/isp that seems in touch with reality without having their heads in the ground is ppedrick/Imagine IPS. if you can't deliver, then don't **** yourself and hide behind bull**** and propaganda...
 
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