Uncapped ADSL: The solution for bandwidth hogs

Just stop pirating...or prosecute people who pirate stuff. Traffic from home users would fall 90%. Why should we subsidise people who want to steal?

Not all downloads are pirated. There is a huge amount of legal content to download. I don't think traffic would drop my much anyway if we could turn off all pirated content.

Its semi high speed internet internet, something which we have never had before. Obviously people are going to go crazy. ISP's should have seen this coming.

Otherwise why don't we just go back to dial up modems, everyone will be at the same speed and it will fix all congestion problems. Kinda backwards isn't it.
 
Firstly and MOST importantly, its got NOTHING to do with ANYONE what a user does with his internet connection, if you're going to supply a "high speed" (or 4meg in our case) uncapped connection, don't bitch and moan when users bring it down, what else is uncapped for??? If you're not transferring large amounts of data then there is no use for uncapped connections.

Also, it's really starting to **** me off how people have been saying rubbish like "Even in the UK and US ISPs have been imposing caps...", that is ABSOLUTE horse crap! I spent 18months in the UK on Sky, with a 20meg uncapped (REALLLLY uncapped) line, cheap lines have caps imposed, medium packages have a fair usage policy, the high end accounts DO NOT, Virgin and Sky both offer TRULY uncapped accounts.

Then on that topic, compare apples with apples, when you can get a 8meg uncapped connection with a fair usage policy in this country for R150, then compare them, otherwise, stop with the BS and stop trying to justify soft caps / over aggressive shaping which are all excuses for offering a ****ty service.

Bottom line is that you offer uncapped packages, do no research or planning, then when the results are ABYSMAL, turn around and blame the user!!! If you cannot sustain a product / have to blatantly LIE about it, you shouldnt be offering it.

SELL WHAT YOU CAN PROVIDE AND BE HONEST ABOUT IT.
 
Just stop pirating...or prosecute people who pirate stuff. Traffic from home users would fall 90%. Why should we subsidise people who want to steal?

I'll just leave this here:

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would like it if I could get someone to test wug strength at my place before investing cash. Looking at the wug map, there is a possibility I might have LOS but there might be a hill in the way, cant quite figure outthe geography.

Also, last time I tried getting some answers on IRC I was pretty much just ignored. even the "Hello"went unanswered so that put me off a bit

which city
 
MWEB DO throttle

MWEB do throttle contrary to the article.
 
Firstly and MOST importantly, its got NOTHING to do with ANYONE what a user does with his internet connection, if you're going to supply a "high speed" (or 4meg in our case) uncapped connection, don't bitch and moan when users bring it down, what else is uncapped for??? If you're not transferring large amounts of data then there is no use for uncapped connections.

Also, it's really starting to **** me off how people have been saying rubbish like "Even in the UK and US ISPs have been imposing caps...", that is ABSOLUTE horse crap! I spent 18months in the UK on Sky, with a 20meg uncapped (REALLLLY uncapped) line, cheap lines have caps imposed, medium packages have a fair usage policy, the high end accounts DO NOT, Virgin and Sky both offer TRULY uncapped accounts.

Then on that topic, compare apples with apples, when you can get a 8meg uncapped connection with a fair usage policy in this country for R150, then compare them, otherwise, stop with the BS and stop trying to justify soft caps / over aggressive shaping which are all excuses for offering a ****ty service.

Bottom line is that you offer uncapped packages, do no research or planning, then when the results are ABYSMAL, turn around and blame the user!!! If you cannot sustain a product / have to blatantly LIE about it, you shouldnt be offering it.

SELL WHAT YOU CAN PROVIDE AND BE HONEST ABOUT IT.

+1
 
Most of the high end users make use of P2P services to download and share audio-video content and other large files like applications and Linux distributions.

I LOL'd
 
WUGs are really great ideas, but currently getting connected to one is a bunch of work and I admit it all seems a bit daunting, and from what I have heard it can be unreliable although if it become more popular the reliablity would improve.

On the one side uncapped will obviously attract those people who are looking for a system that has no limit otherwise they would just get a 2GB account , so when a company releases an uncapped product they should not act surprised when it is used to downloads large amounts of data. A 3 second search on the internet will reveal the stats and information, so ISP's cannot act as if this is a surprise and the people doing the downloads are hogging the system. If an uncapped system is created, with limitation and this is done upfront, people will not really complain, there will be no unrealistic expectations, but so far this does not seem to happen.
That said Afrihost for one has changed its uncapped to have conditions and these conditions are upfront so alls fair for anyone NOW taking the deal with them.

Obviously all people downloading excessive amounts must be pirates ... NOT !
I download a lot of stuff and surprisingly very little of it is of dubious content, on the whole what I download is above board, even while using Torrents. So you guys who have the opinion that heavy downloaders can only download illegal content simply have not bothered to look for or think about the free alternatives etc, and whole number of things on the internet that can be downloaded while being done leagally !
 
Get real guys, if it weren't for these hogs you'd still be sitting with your lame 3gb cap...bet you you still on a 3gb cap hey?
if it weren't for gamers you'd still have a 16MB graphics card.
If it weren't for F1 there would be no turbo's, intercoolers, supercharges.
If your grandpa was head of the african tribes we'd still be sitting in africa....oops, we are.
that's the way the world works.

now go cry somewhere else while we pave the way for you.
 
Just stop pirating...or prosecute people who pirate stuff. Traffic from home users would fall 90%. Why should we subsidise people who want to steal?

Because copying Windows , Patents or any other form of an idea abstract or implemented isn't theft. There was no such concept in any religion 2000 years ago. See http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/HackPatents . We could setup realtime servers copying the Multi-choice DSTV sport and discovery channel streams, this will help in establishing data networks.

=== Justice Bradley 1882 on patents ===
http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=09/09/08/1731257
"It creates a class of speculative schemers who make it their business to watch the advancing wave of improvement, and gather its foam in the form of patented monopolies, which enable them to lay a heavy tax upon the industry of the country, without contributing anything to the real advancement of the arts. It embarrasses the honest pursuit of business with fears and apprehensions of concealed liens and unknown
liabilities lawsuits and vexatious accountings for profits made in good faith." (Atlantic Works v. Brady, 1017 U.S. 192, 200 (1882)).

=== False dichotomy between capitalism and socialism ===
The CNN and Foxnews mind control mechanism is presenting us with a false dichotomy between Republicans and Democrats , Capitalism and Socialism. The issue is that patents and copyrights are preventing Green energy solutions such as [[StirlingEngine]] and less oil usage. Vast amounts of money are paid over to the middle east unavailable for domestic EU, African and American usage. This leads to scarcity of resources resulting in lower income people voting for the Democrats to implement socialist policies and redistribute and ever shrinking tax pool. Capitalism and socialism shouldn't be confused with the arbitrary restriction of ideas and their implementation.

Going green is presented by CNN as a moral issue and how evil oil consumers don't want to save the earth. The real problem is that Green energy [[BatteryTech]] and [[StirlingEngine]] aren't cost competitive with oil because of patent and royalties. On a monetary basis one would switch over to [[BatteryTech]] cars, but this can't be done because Oil companies are shackling the production of NiMH batteries via a patent. CNN never makes an issue about this fact because it would rally people to abolish patents and copyright. The mass media are protecting their own interests with imaginary property and creating a false Good/evil dichotomy with an imaginary problem - [[GlobalWarming]].

HackPatents: The belief in Imaginary property is destroying our economy, environment and social well-being, specifically preventing South-Africans from solving the Eskom problem via Sasecurity#Energy_security. HackPatents deals with patents and why we must infringe on them, Justice Bradley(1882) and Thomas Jefferson wrote that ideas shouldn't be patented. Richard Stallman said that pirates attack ships, nobody attacked the Naspers head office with a baseball bat when copying a DSTV video stream, it is a lie to call copying ideas piracy because the person from whom the idea was copied still has his idea. You can't own an idea. Violating someone's copyright is no more "theft" than violating their right-of-way is. Not all rights are property rights. Richard Stallman at http://www.gnu.org/doc/TOC-FSFS.html and http://opencollector.org/Whyfree/whyfree.html says that software should have no owners, really any idea in any form should have no owners. The distinction between "hardware" and "software" if flawed both are just ideas.

The http://www.gridlockeconomy.com describes how 25 new runways would eliminate most air travel delays in America. Why can’t we build them? 50 patent owners are blocking a major drug maker from creating a cancer cure. Why won’t they get out of the way? 90% of our broadcast spectrum sits idle while American cell phone service lags far behind Japan’s and Korea’s. Why are we wasting our airwaves?

The NaspersProblem is deceiving people into not hacking the patents for StirlingEngines, hydrogen production, BatteryTech, electric air compressed cars, and Sasecurity#Energy_security. Their real agenda is to prevent the hacking of their http://www.multichoice.co.za content, they don't want people to understand that there is nothing wrong with hacking anybodies idea, copyright, video stream, concept or imaginary property. A super sport video feed and StirlingEngine patent is like the number 7: neither here nor there, it exists only as an abstract concept. There is nothing in the Bible about not using another person's idea, it like the number 4 belongs to all of us, it isn't physical property.
 
not really if you want

legit msd downloads, you do know that they are pre-pidded per your license. that's why i pay a ****load for mine per year not to have it coming from jack **** joe.
digital distribution if bought games, movies, music and applications.
latest test clients for certian mmos.
dude, not all of us just work for local only companies, what do we do who work for multi international tiered companies ?
other international clients who needs raws as i said.
proper voip/conferencing.


...let's face it. wug is great for the ****s who want piracy locally or local only things. for us who actually really use the internet apart from getting latest XXX, game, application or any illegal acquired media it is useless. we are magically branded bandwidth hogs by the isps who know jack **** themselves just be cause we can use it more extensivly than your average noob who will be most welcomed at wug for piracy. this is propaganda, and i would not be surprised it wug passed a lollie to get it posted as the so called messiac saviour for those who are "hogs"

Did you read through my replies to your points?

While I admitted that for some of them the wug won't help you at all, and while I agree that there are some downloads that people won't be sharing (private beta for a game, licensed MSDN software, etc) a lot of the other software can be shared and will help other users.

Just like you flip out and become very upset about the fact that your fair usage of ADSL is considered "abusive" I resent your implication that the wug is only useful for one thing.

It is not. We use it for lots of amazing services, including VOIP, lots of gaming, wug hosted websites with forums, patch mirrors, linux repositories and so forth.

It is also a great testing ground for new ideas, every now and then someone will run a service that people can test, something that he would have had to rent a dedicated server in order to test on the internet.

So stop trying to do to the wug what ISPs are doing to you. Your usage of your uncapped account is legit, yet the ISP claims it is abusive. Don't go and claim the same about wugs please ;)
 
@ protzkrog

durban. looked at it a couple months back but gave up on it then. Think about it every now and then though. problem i have is im in a bit of a dip surrounded by hills. think theres a high site on one of them though (well according to last map i got from the wug site.)
 
There are already nice solutions available for bandwidth hogs... the IS uncapped express accounts. IS does not care what you download or how much you download. These accounts have been working nicely for us for years now.... provided you can afford the account at nearly a grand a month.

The other crop of cheaper "uncapped" services are the problem... they are not really true uncapped and the ISPs are treating their bandwidth like a precious resource. They should stop using the term "uncapped" to refer to these accounts and come up with a more accurate descriptive name.

WUGS are not really the solution as they do not provide internet access, you can only share what someone else already downloaded. Somebody still has to download the stuff. Besides getting hooked up is a nightmare. The learning curve is huge, if you can even get coverage, and finding people who are willing to actually sit down and walk you through it is impossible. It's like a national secret. I have pretty much given up on that option although it looked attractive a few years ago.
 
I see a lot of comments on how hard it is to get connected. I agree, it is a lot of work, and a lot to learn. There is help available, but please keep in mind that people do this in their spare time, and sometimes you run out of spare time :(

I have personally helped quite a few people get online, but there are times when I simply cannot spend a few hours helping someone. To be honest, it took me nearly 2 years to get connected, but in that time I started to visit the IRC chat channel regularly, and whenever I saw a few people chatting I would join in on the conversation. I asked questions and learned.

At the end of the day I knew what to do to get connected, and I made a few new friends.

Don't join the IRC channel, say "Hi, can someone help me connect" then wait 5 minutes and disconnect. Odds are, in the time you were around, nobody else was around.

Stick around for a few days, you will see there are times when the channel is extremely busy, other times hours can go by without anyone saying anything.
 
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