US Election 2020 - Pt 2

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

And the second part of my statement?

Well, it's obviously hard to detect where these messages might be coming from, but all the stuff mentioned in Politico has been part and parcel of Trump's support base for a while now so could conceivably be marketed by Americans but yes with global telecommunications, it is a challenging endeavour to weed out foreign actors.

 

[cerebus]

Well, it's obviously hard to detect where these messages might be coming from, but all the stuff mentioned in Politico has been part and parcel of Trump's support base for a while now so could conceivably be marketed by Americans but yes with global telecommunications, it is a challenging endeavour to weed out foreign actors.

In 2016 it became clear that most of the serious disinformation originated overseas in Russian bot farms and so on. It's a highly coordinated and targeted foreign attack on US democracy, and you're suggesting that it should be allowed to go unchecked because somehow gullible US citizens should be allowed to make up their own minds.

IMO active misinformation, either from the left or the right, should be flagged and taken down, and social media companies should be braced and responsible for what will happen on their platforms in 2020.

 

[konfab]

In 2016 it became clear that most of the serious disinformation originated overseas in Russian bot farms and so on. It's a highly coordinated and targeted foreign attack on US democracy, and you're suggesting that it should be allowed to go unchecked because somehow gullible US citizens should be allowed to make up their own minds.

IMO active misinformation, either from the left or the right, should be flagged and taken down, and social media companies should be braced and responsible for what will happen on their platforms in 2020.

If you think US citizens are gullible then why do you think they should be able to vote in the first place.

Just limit the voting franchise to everyone who actually has to face the financial consequences for the actions of the government (aka the people who pay income tax), and you would pretty much eliminate 99% of the threat from misinformation.

 

[cerebus]

If you think US citizens are gullible then why do you think they should be able to vote in the first place.

Just limit the voting franchise to everyone who actually has to face the financial consequences for the actions of the government (aka the people who pay income tax), and you would pretty much eliminate 99% of the threat from misinformation.

Because letting gullible idiots vote is preferable to suppressing votes, which seems to be your forte.

 

[konfab]

Because letting gullible idiots vote is preferable to suppressing votes, which seems to be your forte.

My plan would simply end up making everyone into a taxpayer. If you want to extend the voting franchise, everyone has to pay something into the kitty. People always behave differently when it is their money being taken from them.

And it would solve the illegal immigration problem as well. Simply make citizenship based on whether you pay tax or not. If you go to the US, work hard and pay your taxes, you get the benefits of choosing who to vote for. You don't contribute anything to the kitty, you don't get any votes.
You could pretty much have complete open borders with none of the issues associated with it.

The only way you can suppress votes from people is to make sure they don't pay any tax. It is a beautifully self-limiting system. "Oh noes, look how the US government is oppressing those black people by letting them keep 100% of their income".

 

[Kieppie]

Because letting gullible idiots vote is preferable to suppressing votes, which seems to be your forte.

Speaking of gullible people.. California wants to lower the voting age to 16.

 

[greg0205]

My plan would simply end up making everyone into a taxpayer. If you want to extend the voting franchise, everyone has to pay something into the kitty. People always behave differently when it is their money being taken from them.

And it would solve the illegal immigration problem as well. Simply make citizenship based on whether you pay tax or not. If you go to the US, work hard and pay your taxes, you get the benefits of choosing who to vote for. You don't contribute anything to the kitty, you don't get any votes.
You could pretty much have complete open borders with none of the issues associated with it.

The only way you can suppress votes from people is to make sure they don't pay any tax. It is a beautifully self-limiting system. "Oh noes, look how the US government is oppressing those black people by letting them keep 100% of their income".

Well there's your problem right there... See, you're equating wealth with virtue, with competency, with intelligence, with wisdom... It's none of those things.

Nor is poverty a vice or a sin.

Anyway, I was just checking in to see if you've called for poor folk to be turned into Soylent Green yet, you know, to ease the financial burden on the 1%, while providing the wealthy with a delicious protein drink at the same time.

 

[Tokolotshe]

LOL.
The left has 99% of academia, most of the media, the public education system and most large corporates espousing a completely unprovable conspiracy theory.

Suburbs being hot?
Must be because of racism.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1304762182270414848

Remember bucko, being polite makes you an agent of white supremacy.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1303415070043537411

Oh lol, I could tear this apart in 10 seconds. Spot the errors. That is not only white.
Imagine everybody adopting their own legal system ...

 

[theratman]

Bookmarking this post for the 29th.

Bookmarks must be getting pretty full there Greg

 

[buka001]

LOL.
The left has 99% of academia, most of the media, the public education system and most large corporates espousing a completely unprovable conspiracy theory.

Suburbs being hot?
Must be because of racism.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1304762182270414848

Remember bucko, being polite makes you an agent of white supremacy.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1303415070043537411

Lol.

99% of academia is left wing?

Where did you pull that number out?

Any facts?

Considering faculties such as engineering and economics tend to sway right of centre. Law sits generally in the middle, I think you are making stuff up.

And media?

Lets see which media dominated facebook, shall we?

 

[greg0205]

Bookmarks must be getting pretty full there Greg

No too bad... I mean we just have the three presidential debates, one VP whipping and November 3rd.

 

[rietrot]

Lol.

99% of academia is left wing?

Where did you pull that number out?

Any facts?

Considering faculties such as engineering and economics tend to sway right of centre. Law sits generally in the middle, I think you are making stuff up.

And media?

Lets see which media dominated facebook, shall we?

Nice to see Breitbart doing so good.

 

[Kieppie]

Lol.

99% of academia is left wing?

Where did you pull that number out?

Any facts?

Considering faculties such as engineering and economics tend to sway right of centre. Law sits generally in the middle, I think you are making stuff up.

And media?

Lets see which media dominated facebook, shall we?

Nah Engineering isn't right leaning. It was pretty balanced years ago. You even had you're crazy socialists back then. You could argue that if the demographics are not 50/50 male & female that there might be a slight shift just because of the difference between sexes. I found that as you move away from factual toward more abstract studies the more you encounter left-wing focus. So yeah he is correct with his statement about academia being majority left leaning.

Nothing wrong with that picture on FB news shares. 32% for Breitbart and Fox combined. The other 68%? Ideally you'd want 40/20/40 left-wing, moderate overlap, right wing split.

 

[AlmightyBender]

Well there's your problem right there... See, you're equating wealth with virtue, with competency, with intelligence, with wisdom... It's none of those things.

Nor is poverty a vice or a sin.

This right here. All day every day.

These folks suggest systems where people who get retrenched before an election will lose their voting rights. And that would be the least insane consequence of such a system.

And then have gall lecture us on our values and morality and call us stupid and deranged?

Yeah Greg o'l boi, I have to admit I'm losing my patience with these folks. To them I only have the following message:

 

[Kieppie]

This right here. All day every day.

These folks suggest systems where people who get retrenched before an election will lose their voting rights. And that would be the least insane consequence of such a system.

And then have gall lecture us on our values and morality and call us stupid and deranged?

Yeah Greg o'l boi, I have to admit I'm losing my patience with these folks. To them I only have the following message:

Sheesh strawman much.

Ever consider he might just be referring to systems like in the Netherlands where even if you're unemployed and on welfare you still pay taxes on your benefits? No one mentioned anything about wealth or intelligence. It is a matter of personal responsibility and having a stake in both the local and national election.

 

[w1z4rd]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1305193453274443776

 

[daveza]

'Nothing more could have been done': Trump's final phone call to Woodward

On August 14, the coronavirus pandemic was on fire in the US. More than 168,000 Americans had died, with more than 1,300 deaths that day alone. But when President Donald Trump called legendary journalist Bob Woodward, it was to find out one thing: He had recently learned that Woodward's new book...

edition.cnn.com

As the two debated Trump's response to the pandemic, Trump finally asked: "So you think the virus totally supersedes the economy?"

"Oh sure. But they're related, as you know," Woodward responded.

"A little bit, yeah," Trump replied.

"Oh, a little bit?" Woodward asked.

"I mean, more than a little bit. But the economy is doing -- look, we're close to a new stock market record," Trump said.

 

[Kieppie]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1305193453274443776

Truman would be appalled by what people claim under the banner of socialism today.

You can have social programs, but never socialism. There isn't a single functioning socialist country in the world. It remains the rallying cry of those that follow it's ideals without having the mental fortitude to understand it's follies.

economic system - Problems with socialism

The socialist experiments of the 20th century were motivated by a genuine interest in improving life for the masses, but the results instead delivered untold suffering in terms of economic deprivation and political tyranny. Nonetheless, the egalitarian values that inspired the socialist...

www.britannica.com

 

[greg0205]

This twitter thread is giving me life...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1305525705518845952

EDIT: Aaand the other shoe drops.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1305568192694288384

 

[cerebus]

Truman would be appealed by what people claim under the banner of socialism today.

You can have social programs, but never socialism. There isn't a single functioning socialist country in the world. It remains the rallying cry of those that follow it's ideals without having the mental fortitude to understand it's follies.

economic system - Problems with socialism

The socialist experiments of the 20th century were motivated by a genuine interest in improving life for the masses, but the results instead delivered untold suffering in terms of economic deprivation and political tyranny. Nonetheless, the egalitarian values that inspired the socialist...

www.britannica.com

Harry Truman would be appalled that after 70 years the US still hasn’t figured out how to fund universal healthcare

When Harry Truman Pushed for Universal Health Care

Truman felt the middle class was left out when it came to health care coverage and fought to institute a federal health plan paid for through a payroll tax.

www.history.com