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Randhir said:
Context matters, and as much as I think Libertarians can be crazy, a lot of them come from a place of principle as opposed to racism/classism/sexism etc.

I think some people on the right view Sanders (for example) the same way. They think his politicies are batsh.t but they do think that he believes in them and isn't another grifter trying to seize power/enrich himself and his buddies.
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Unfortunately, when your policies centralise a huge amount of power to a few offices, it will do that regardless of the intention of the old pig.

Lenin for example lived like an absolute monk, but his policies centralised everything such that the next guy did precisely that.

This video is highly accurate in what happens:
 
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konfab said:
Unfortunately, when your policies centralise a huge amount of power to a few offices, it will do that regardless of the intention of the old pig.
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Don't get me wrong, I get the train of thought. I just disagree that that's what will happen if implemented in other countries where they have been successful.
 
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Randhir said:
Don't get me wrong, I get the train of thought. I just disagree that that's what will happen if implemented in other countries where they have been successful.
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I can point you towards what happened in other countries where they are not successful. Like the country I am living in right now. Hence why I cannot advocate for a system in the US that anyone in this thread wouldn't want to touch with a 10 foot pole.
The existing public healthcare systems in the US are not model examples of any public healthcare system. Most likely due to the fact that the US is an absolute monster for large centralised systems.

I can actually tell you pretty easily that if a core part of Obamacare had been eliminating Medicare and Medicaid and fully privatising the entire system like the Netherlands does, it wouldn't be the worst way to get what everyone seems to want.
 
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LOL Greg actually believes those crocodile tears. Obama really had to work himself up to squeeze out a tear. Some good acting, but then Americans do make good actors.
 
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Trump to order meat processing plants to stay open

President Donald Trump is expected to sign a five-page executive order under the Defense Production Act to compel meat processing plants to remain open amid the coronavirus pandemic.

Trump had highlighted the order during an Oval Office meeting with Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis that was opened up to reporters.

"We're going to sign an executive order today, I believe, and that'll solve any liability problems," Trump said on Tuesday.

The President is expected to sign the order after some companies, such as Tyson Foods, were considering only keeping 20% of their facilities open. The vast majority of processing plants could have shut down -- which would have reduced processing capacity in the country by as much as 80%, an official familiar with the order told.

By signing the order, Trump will declare these plants as a part of critical infrastructure in the US.
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cerebus said:
I think that’s a good thing
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Looks like it's not going his way.

Meat plant workers to Trump: We won't show up

www.cnn.com

Meat plant workers to Trump: Employees aren't going to show up

Meat processing plant workers are concerned about President Donald Trump's executive order that compels plants to remain open during the coronavirus pandemic.
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TysonRoux said:
Looks like it's not going his way.

Meat plant workers to Trump: We won't show up

www.cnn.com

Meat plant workers to Trump: Employees aren't going to show up

Meat processing plant workers are concerned about President Donald Trump's executive order that compels plants to remain open during the coronavirus pandemic.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
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This is class warfare.

It's a 1 percenter demanding that minimum wage folk risk their lives in a pandemic, packing beef and standing in front of a grill because Reopen folk are slightly put-out by not being able to order a double grease burger and fries at the drive-through.

You're worried about food security? Provide testing, provide PPE and increase wages and benefits.
 
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greg0205 said:
This is class warfare.

It's a 1 percenter demanding that minimum wage folk risk their lives in a pandemic, packing beef and standing in front of a grill because Reopen folk are slightly put-out by not being able to order a double grease burger and fries at the drive-through.

You're worried about food security? Provide testing, provide PPE and increase wages and benefits.
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Who is calling the shots here exactly? Is it the management of the company closing down or the workers.

Trump has no right to force the management of the company to stay open, and the management of the company has no right to force their workers to work.
That goes for the workers of this company as well. If they don't want to work, fine. But they don't have the right to force the company to keep employing them.

If no-one rocks up after they all quit, the things you are talking about will be driven by market forces, you know unless the government doesn't pay people not to work :rolleyes: .
 
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