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OrbitalDawn

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I like Amash, despite thinking his politics is stupid mostly (not all). He's one of the very few conservatives who isn't completely full of it and has some form of principle-based ideological approach.

The opposite of this bloviating gasbag:


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Even I give Amash points for leaving the party on principle. Doesn't make him much less garbage 'tho.
This, he is still a conservative extremest. I mean Konfab likes him which I translate to NBFTW and a whole load of other unlucky people eventually somehow ending up dying in the gutter and everyone patting themselves on the back for not helping.
 
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Australia has called for an investigation into the origins of SARS-CoV-2, in response to which China has threatened Australia with consumer boycotts:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...e-china-over-covid-19-outbreak-as-row-deepens

When a man threatens someone simply for wanting to investigate him, that spells guilt to me.

Trump has been warning the world about China all along. Maybe he was right.
Not about the virus though.

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Australia has called for an investigation into the origins of SARS-CoV-2, in response to which China has threatened Australia with consumer boycotts:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...e-china-over-covid-19-outbreak-as-row-deepens

When a man threatens someone simply for wanting to investigate him, that spells guilt to me.

Trump has been warning the world about China all along. Maybe he was right.
Trump changes his tune according to what casts him in the best light, regardless of facts.
Trump is rarely right about anything in realpolitik, because he knows fukall, doesn't read and doesn't listen to people who do know.
 

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Not about the virus though.

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Lol the flip floping on the left is spectacular.

First it was nothing.
Then saying the virus originated in China was racist.
Then limiting flights from China was racist
Then they didn't want a lockdown
Then they did.
Something, something chlorinewhatever medication.
Now criticisms of China is all of a sudden not racist anymore, and you will find 1 tweet of Trump were he said something good to China on that specific day to justify your stance as opposed to Trump.

This is only going to get worse if you want to always be apposed to Trump because he flip flops a lot. He has all the positions covered. And mining old Tweets from him to justify your current position to yourself is really stupid.
 

buka001

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Lol the flip floping on the left is spectacular.

First it was nothing.
Then saying the virus originated in China was racist.
Then limiting flights from China was racist
Then they didn't want a lockdown
Then they did.
Something, something chlorinewhatever medication.
Now criticisms of China is all of a sudden not racist anymore, and you will find 1 tweet of Trump were he said something good to China on that specific day to justify your stance as opposed to Trump.

This is only going to get worse if you want to always be apposed to Trump because he flip flops a lot. He has all the positions covered. And mining old Tweets from him to justify your current position to yourself is really stupid.
Flip flopping of Trump you mean?

Which leftists have flip flopped as you describe, with quotes.
 

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Trump changes his tune according to what casts him in the best light, regardless of facts.
Trump is rarely right about anything in realpolitik, because he knows fukall, doesn't read and doesn't listen to people who do know.

And also his personality is totally rigid and predictable and he can’t do anything about it. He can’t even conceive of a scenario where something goes wrong and he apologizes and takes responsibility. And even if he is forced to admit that there’s a problem it will only last a day or so and he’ll realize what a stupendous mistake it was to have admitted weakness, and start backpedaling on everything he just said
 

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So reading between the lines...

Trump is freaking out about his numbers falling, needs his big rallies to stir up the supporters - can't hold big rallies because social distancing and lockdown - want's Covid-19 to disappear so none of that is necessary - Covid-19 not going away because he screwed up - numbers falling because he screwed up - Trump freaking out...

Yes ?
 

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Trump and Kushner show depth of disconnect with Americans on the front lines

It's fine for Jared Kushner to mock the "eternal lockdown crowd" worried about state reopenings -- he doesn't have to clock in at a meat factory, drive a bus or work in an emergency room.

The President's son-in-law and senior adviser, complaining behind-the-scenes that he's not getting credit for the "great success story" of the Covid-19 battle, predicts the economy will be "rocking" by June.

For that to be the case, a vast army of workers will have to put aside their fears of a pandemic that has infected more than a million Americans and killed at least 60,000 and restart the country's economic engine.

They will have to do so without the safety net of a broad testing program -- that President Donald Trump says is not necessary -- to allow authorities to trace and isolate Covid-19 outbreaks that the White House has failed to build.
Kushner's comments reflect Trump's fervent desire to restore the economy that was shut down to halt the march of a pandemic he said would not be a problem in the US.

The President is increasingly fretful that what Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell predicts will be the worst economic data in US history will snuff out his hopes of winning a second term. CNN's Jeremy Diamond reported that Trump erupted at his campaign manager Brad Parscale on Friday night, according to three sources familiar with the outburst.

"The goal here is to get people back to work," Kushner, who like his father-in-law is a wealthy real estate investor, said Wednesay morning on Fox News.

But Kushner's glib predictions also ignore the complications clouding the medical battle against coronavirus -- in the absence of proven treatments and a vaccine. They also over-simplify the huge economic uncertainties inherent in the never-before attempted task of switching an economy back on -- that to a large extent will rely on the confidence of a wary public. And while millions of Americans are desperate to get back to work, Kushner's dismissal -- or risks -- appears to reflect disdain for the working people who will pay the price if it all goes wrong.

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/29/politics/jared-kushner-coronavirus-success-story/index.html
 

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I mean Konfab likes him which I translate to NBFTW and a whole load of other unlucky people eventually somehow ending up dying in the gutter and everyone patting themselves on the back for not helping.
Because the only way human beings have ever helped the unfortunate is by having the government confiscate the wealth of others. Private charity literally does not exist.

I mean the only reason why I have been a regular blood donor for 10 years is because of the free cookies and juice.

No your way is much better. Vote in a government that forcefully takes away money from other people, then tell yourself that you are being a good person because the government says they are helping.


This, he is still a conservative extremest.

And as for him being a conservative extremist, you should probably have a look at a political compass. Getting out your little bubble would help you with this. The only major conservative position he has is being pro-life, and even then he isn't that strong on that.

If you want what I would consider a conservative, it is someone who would say Jesus is their biggest hero, rather than Hayek.

Amash has called economists F. A. Hayek and Frédéric Bastiat his "biggest heroes" and political inspirations,[58] and has described himself as "Hayekian libertarian".[59] When The New York Times asked him to explain his approach to voting on legislation, he replied, "I follow a set of principles. I follow the Constitution. And that's what I base my votes on. Limited government, economic freedom, and individual liberty."[60]

Though I can understand the confusion. I mean if you think positions like being against things like the war on drugs, a surveillance state, the government deciding who can be married or not, the death penalty and other libertarian positions are evidence of being a conservative extremist, then your centre is probably sitting slightly to the left of Bernie Sanders.
 
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