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Yes I have, never had an issue other that their FUP.
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Have not received feedback for the MTR I posted. Can you please have a look?
This is from my WebSquad connection
Code:
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| WinMTR statistics |
| Host - % | Sent | Recv | Best | Avrg | Wrst | Last |
|------------------------------------------------|------|------|------|------|------|------|
| 192.168.0.1 - 0 | 101 | 101 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 |
| as-vuma.db-is-um-01.za.ws.net.za - 0 | 101 | 101 | 0 | 2 | 136 | 2 |
| core.as-01.db1.za.ws.net.za - 0 | 101 | 101 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 |
| core.cr-xe-01.db1.za.ws.net.za - 0 | 101 | 101 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 4 |
| core.pe-xe-ip01.jb1.za.ws.net.za - 0 | 101 | 101 | 8 | 8 | 11 | 8 |
| 45.195.4.17 - 0 | 101 | 101 | 10 | 11 | 16 | 16 |
| No response from host - 100 | 20 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 59.43.182.2 - 0 | 101 | 101 | 198 | 198 | 204 | 198 |
| 59.43.250.18 - 0 | 101 | 101 | 216 | 216 | 221 | 221 |
| 217.107.111.141 - 0 | 101 | 101 | 215 | 217 | 236 | 215 |
| No response from host - 100 | 20 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| ae1-br01-eqfr5.as57976.net - 0 | 101 | 101 | 217 | 219 | 270 | 217 |
| et-0-0-2-br01-eqam1.as57976.net - 0 | 101 | 101 | 217 | 221 | 280 | 272 |
| et-0-0-31-pe01-eqam1.as57976.net - 0 | 101 | 101 | 217 | 220 | 266 | 217 |
| 137.221.66.41 - 0 | 101 | 101 | 217 | 217 | 223 | 217 |
| 185.60.112.158 - 0 | 101 | 101 | 217 | 217 | 223 | 217 |
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WinMTR v0.92 GPL V2 by Appnor MSP - Fully Managed Hosting & Cloud ProviderThis is from a VPN. It's via our office.
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| WinMTR statistics |
| Host - % | Sent | Recv | Best | Avrg | Wrst | Last |
|------------------------------------------------|------|------|------|------|------|------|
| 10.8.0.1 - 0 | 68 | 68 | 12 | 12 | 13 | 13 |
| 196.22.232.209 - 0 | 68 | 68 | 12 | 12 | 13 | 12 |
| 41.193.235.150 - 0 | 68 | 68 | 13 | 15 | 38 | 14 |
| 41.193.119.65 - 0 | 68 | 68 | 14 | 14 | 17 | 14 |
| 196.41.24.186 - 0 | 68 | 68 | 189 | 190 | 199 | 194 |
| 195.66.226.234 - 0 | 68 | 68 | 191 | 194 | 250 | 191 |
| ae1-br01-eqld5.as57976.net - 0 | 68 | 68 | 192 | 193 | 220 | 193 |
| et-0-0-2-br02-eqam1.as57976.net - 0 | 68 | 68 | 192 | 194 | 243 | 193 |
| et-0-0-67-pe01-eqam1.as57976.net - 0 | 68 | 68 | 196 | 199 | 249 | 212 |
| 185.60.112.158 - 0 | 68 | 68 | 196 | 196 | 211 | 196 |
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WinMTR v0.92 GPL V2 by Appnor MSP - Fully Managed Hosting & Cloud ProviderSeems like any MTR I do to EU, as soon as it hits this IP: 45.195.4.17 the following host is not reachable.
Running a test to North-America seems fine as well
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| WinMTR statistics |
| Host - % | Sent | Recv | Best | Avrg | Wrst | Last |
|------------------------------------------------|------|------|------|------|------|------|
| 192.168.0.1 - 0 | 40 | 40 | 0 | 0 | 8 | 0 |
| as-vuma.db-is-um-01.za.ws.net.za - 0 | 40 | 40 | 0 | 7 | 220 | 0 |
| core.as-01.db1.za.ws.net.za - 0 | 40 | 40 | 0 | 0 | 7 | 0 |
| core.cr-xe-01.db1.za.ws.net.za - 0 | 40 | 40 | 0 | 0 | 7 | 0 |
| core.pe-xe-ip01.jb1.za.ws.net.za - 0 | 40 | 40 | 8 | 9 | 16 | 8 |
| 45.195.4.17 - 0 | 40 | 40 | 10 | 12 | 26 | 12 |
| 154.72.43.74 - 0 | 40 | 40 | 10 | 12 | 47 | 10 |
|bb-ctp01r01.xe-9.1.0-bb-jhb01r01.xe.4.1.0.wiocc.net - 0 | 40 | 40 | 167 | 168 | 189 | 167 |
|bb-ldn01r01.xe.1.3.0-bb-cpt01r01.xe.2.3.0.wiocc.net - 0 | 40 | 40 | 167 | 170 | 210 | 177 |
|bb-ldn02-r01.xe.5.1.0-bb-ldn01-r01.xe.5.1.0.wiocc.net - 0 | 40 | 40 | 166 | 168 | 214 | 167 |
| eqix-dc2.blizzard.com - 0 | 40 | 40 | 239 | 243 | 303 | 239 |
| ae1-br01-eqdc2.as57976.net - 0 | 40 | 40 | 300 | 307 | 339 | 305 |
| et-0-0-2-br01-eqch2.as57976.net - 0 | 40 | 40 | 300 | 305 | 338 | 305 |
| 137.221.65.132 - 0 | 40 | 40 | 300 | 302 | 323 | 300 |
| et-0-0-2-br01-eqla1.as57976.net - 0 | 40 | 40 | 295 | 332 | 509 | 364 |
| be1-pe02-eqla1.as57976.net - 0 | 40 | 40 | 300 | 303 | 313 | 305 |
| lax-eqla1-ia-bons-03.as57976.net - 0 | 40 | 40 | 301 | 301 | 314 | 301 |
| 24.105.30.129 - 0 | 40 | 40 | 300 | 305 | 313 | 308 |
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WinMTR v0.92 GPL V2 by Appnor MSP - Fully Managed Hosting & Cloud Provider
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Will look into why these routes to these IPs are being favoured across this path (We're letting BGP choose the best path at the moment and BGP does not factor latency, just AS hops- now we'll tweak to favour latency).
No response from host is not an issue on MTRs, it just means that there isn't a return path for a direct ping to the specific device or ICMP isn't enabled on the device. This does not cause any issues on the network as the packet follows a logical path and each device previous and after is aware of that path.
When reading an MTR, you need to analyse whether the packet loss is commutative (it knocks on and adds up). Does a loss at a specific hop translate into subsequent and consistent loss through the rest of the hops? If it does, we have packet loss. If it doesn't, we simply have a device that's not responding to each and every ICMP request (maybe it doesn't prioritise ICMP, maybe it was responding to another device etc etc).
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A little history on the exchanges. JINX has been around for much longer than NAP Africa. It was originally housed at a single location, IS Parklands and pioneered open, settlement-free peering in South Africa. In short, you had to pay to acquire data directly from other networks. However, settlement-free peering was not really a thing until a large player in the SA market, MWEB, decided to dictate the terms of engagement.
Back in 2010, transit was exorbitantly expensive and Rudi Jansen wagered that it would cost the likes of the big 5 (Telkom, IS, MTN, Vodacom and SAIX) significantly more to deliver content to his large user base via transit (at the time, the networks peered freely in London) than via peering in SA and that they would buckle to his demand for settlement-free peering. At the time, NAP Africa was in its infancy (as was Teraco), the ICASA Act had just allowed for ISPs to begin operating as Telcos and not every network had access to Parklands; however Jansen's bet paid off and if memory serves me right, 3 of the 5 gave in and peered immediately. This is one of the reasons uncapped packages began to appear. On a side note, the "Big 5" are still very difficult with peering and don't easily peer settlement free.
In general, exchanges are limited to a certain region and require ISPs to transit traffic between regions (this keeps them vendor neutral and costs low). Having multiple exchanges in a region is convenient as it allows for multiple fabrics for data to move on, creating redundancy and resiliency and in the case of JINX, allows peering between DCs for free.
Teraco's subsidised (free for ISPs) NAP Africa quickly gained momentum and the snowball effect soon took over. Cloud providers chose Teraco because it had more peers than the confines of IS Parklands (where JINX was still stuck). ISPs in turn wanted to move to Teraco because of the free peering and direct access to larger content providers and so on and so forth. Today NAP Africa is the 15th largest exchange in the world (by number of peers and I stand to be corrected), and Teraco is a Billion $$ company and is busy building their 3rd hyper-scale facility in JHB, so their free exchange bet paid off. JINX has expanded their network into most of the larger facilities in JHB (Hetzner Samrand, Africa Datacentres Midrand, Teraco Isando and IS Facilities) and continues to provide a large amount of free peering capacity to many ISPs.
Today, NAP Africa JHB Carries about 13-14 times more traffic than JINX:
NAP Africa Traffic: https://www.napafrica.net/peering-traffic/ +- 700 Gbps peak
JINX Traffic: https://portal.inx.net.za/statistics/ixp +- 50 Gbps peak
Port and Cross Connect Costs do make INX-ZA's (JINX, CINX, DINX) peering fabric slightly more costly for smaller ISPs, which is why some choose not to use them. NAP Africa remains free.
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Tweaked the path selection for Blizzard's ASN a little, should make for a welcome improvement.
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Very interesting. Thanks. I did see the port fees at jinx is pretty expensive at about R25k for a 1Gbps port. Expensive for new ISPs.
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Yeah it is a bit more costly than the alternative. That said, they've recently re-aligned their pricing and offer ISPA members a discount, and it helps to get access to peers who aren't in Teraco Isando and NAP. So as a network grows, it's worthwhile connecting to them.
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Thank you looks better
Just a slight bit of packet loss on one of the locations, but looks a lot better!
Code:
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| WinMTR statistics |
| Host - % | Sent | Recv | Best | Avrg | Wrst | Last |
|------------------------------------------------|------|------|------|------|------|------|
| 192.168.0.1 - 0 | 62 | 62 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| as-vuma.db-is-um-01.za.ws.net.za - 0 | 62 | 62 | 0 | 6 | 185 | 0 |
| core.as-01.db1.za.ws.net.za - 0 | 62 | 62 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 |
| core.cr-xe-01.db1.za.ws.net.za - 0 | 62 | 62 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 |
| core.pe-xe-ip01.jb1.za.ws.net.za - 0 | 62 | 62 | 8 | 8 | 11 | 8 |
| 196.33.98.241 - 0 | 62 | 62 | 11 | 13 | 29 | 13 |
| No response from host - 100 | 12 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| ar1-rba-gi0-1.ip.isnet.net - 0 | 62 | 62 | 11 | 12 | 16 | 16 |
| core2b-pkl-te0-0-0-0.ip.isnet.net - 0 | 62 | 62 | 10 | 13 | 20 | 11 |
|core2b-dock-ten-0-3-0-0sub2.ip.isnet.net - 0 | 62 | 62 | 177 | 179 | 188 | 179 |
| 195.66.238.234 - 0 | 62 | 62 | 177 | 180 | 226 | 177 |
| ae1-br01-eqld5.as57976.net - 0 | 62 | 62 | 183 | 185 | 235 | 227 |
| et-0-0-2-br02-eqam1.as57976.net - 4 | 55 | 53 | 183 | 189 | 289 | 184 |
| et-0-0-67-pe02-eqam1.as57976.net - 0 | 62 | 62 | 183 | 186 | 248 | 183 |
| 137.221.66.47 - 0 | 62 | 62 | 183 | 183 | 189 | 183 |
| 185.60.112.157 - 0 | 62 | 62 | 183 | 183 | 188 | 183 |
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WinMTR v0.92 GPL V2 by Appnor MSP - Fully Managed Hosting & Cloud ProviderSnoopster0303
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The packet loss on the MTR is causing some lag spikes, sometimes even freezing, testing on VPN everything is fine.
Updated MTR
Code:
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| WinMTR statistics |
| Host - % | Sent | Recv | Best | Avrg | Wrst | Last |
|------------------------------------------------|------|------|------|------|------|------|
| 192.168.0.1 - 0 | 123 | 123 | 0 | 0 | 9 | 0 |
| as-vuma.db-is-um-01.za.ws.net.za - 0 | 123 | 123 | 0 | 4 | 160 | 0 |
| core.as-01.db1.za.ws.net.za - 0 | 123 | 123 | 0 | 0 | 6 | 0 |
| core.cr-xe-01.db1.za.ws.net.za - 0 | 123 | 123 | 0 | 0 | 6 | 0 |
| core.pe-xe-ip01.jb1.za.ws.net.za - 0 | 123 | 123 | 8 | 8 | 17 | 8 |
| 196.33.98.241 - 0 | 123 | 123 | 10 | 13 | 21 | 12 |
| No response from host - 100 | 24 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| ar1-rba-gi0-1.ip.isnet.net - 0 | 123 | 123 | 11 | 14 | 34 | 13 |
| core2b-pkl-te0-0-0-0.ip.isnet.net - 0 | 123 | 123 | 10 | 12 | 22 | 12 |
|core2b-dock-ten-0-3-0-0sub2.ip.isnet.net - 0 | 123 | 123 | 177 | 179 | 195 | 178 |
| 195.66.238.234 - 0 | 123 | 123 | 177 | 181 | 236 | 177 |
| ae1-br01-eqld5.as57976.net - 2 | 115 | 113 | 183 | 187 | 293 | 183 |
| et-0-0-2-br02-eqam1.as57976.net - 2 | 115 | 113 | 183 | 187 | 288 | 288 |
| et-0-0-67-pe02-eqam1.as57976.net - 2 | 115 | 113 | 183 | 187 | 249 | 183 |
| 137.221.66.47 - 0 | 123 | 123 | 183 | 183 | 191 | 183 |
| 185.60.112.157 - 0 | 123 | 123 | 183 | 183 | 193 | 183 |
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Thank you looks better
Just a slight bit of packet loss on one of the locations, but looks a lot better!
Code:|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | WinMTR statistics | | Host - % | Sent | Recv | Best | Avrg | Wrst | Last | |------------------------------------------------|------|------|------|------|------|------| | 192.168.0.1 - 0 | 62 | 62 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | | as-vuma.db-is-um-01.za.ws.net.za - 0 | 62 | 62 | 0 | 6 | 185 | 0 | | core.as-01.db1.za.ws.net.za - 0 | 62 | 62 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | | core.cr-xe-01.db1.za.ws.net.za - 0 | 62 | 62 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | | core.pe-xe-ip01.jb1.za.ws.net.za - 0 | 62 | 62 | 8 | 8 | 11 | 8 | | 196.33.98.241 - 0 | 62 | 62 | 11 | 13 | 29 | 13 | | No response from host - 100 | 12 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | | ar1-rba-gi0-1.ip.isnet.net - 0 | 62 | 62 | 11 | 12 | 16 | 16 | | core2b-pkl-te0-0-0-0.ip.isnet.net - 0 | 62 | 62 | 10 | 13 | 20 | 11 | |core2b-dock-ten-0-3-0-0sub2.ip.isnet.net - 0 | 62 | 62 | 177 | 179 | 188 | 179 | | 195.66.238.234 - 0 | 62 | 62 | 177 | 180 | 226 | 177 | | ae1-br01-eqld5.as57976.net - 0 | 62 | 62 | 183 | 185 | 235 | 227 | | et-0-0-2-br02-eqam1.as57976.net - 4 | 55 | 53 | 183 | 189 | 289 | 184 | | et-0-0-67-pe02-eqam1.as57976.net - 0 | 62 | 62 | 183 | 186 | 248 | 183 | | 137.221.66.47 - 0 | 62 | 62 | 183 | 183 | 189 | 183 | | 185.60.112.157 - 0 | 62 | 62 | 183 | 183 | 188 | 183 | |________________________________________________|______|______|______|______|______|______| WinMTR v0.92 GPL V2 by Appnor MSP - Fully Managed Hosting & Cloud Provider
Thanks for the feedback. Glad to see the latency is better.
Remember, packet loss needs to be commutative to have any effect on traffic. If every subsequent hop there has 4% loss, then it's significant. Here we just didn't receive a few ICMPs from that hop.
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I understand that, just trying to wrap my head around lag spikes on my Web Squad connection and on a different connection everything is fine.
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PS: If anyone was unaware, Blizzard has a looking-glass if it may help troubleshoot issues.
https://us-looking-glass.battle.net/
https://us-looking-glass.battle.net/
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Check now... trying you on another route.
Thing is MTR shows 0 loss. and as you can see below, variance of 10ms to the last hop is pretty stable.
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185.60.112.157 - 0 | 123 | 123 | 183 | 183 | 193 | 183
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Thanks, always great to have a looking glass from the other end!
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Is that your latency?
This is one of the most informative threads on MyBB, in my opinion. Thank you @websquadza
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That is yes. As soon as I hop on my office vpn. Which hits our Pretoria office then breaks out via a Vox connection I get 185ms stable.