What PC Parts :(

So I un-installed all drivers and then downloaded an older version of the driver (15.xxx) and installed that. I then ran Unigine and it made it through the benchmark albeit with a roughly 20fps loss compared to when I ran the test yesterday and had the fan set to custom. So now I am completely lost as what to do.

The latest stable version is Crimson Edition 16.3.1 Hotfix which when I download and install, I get the weird fan issues so not sure if that my GPU is having issues with that version or if there is something wrong with my GPU and the low temp and fan settings.
 
The 380X and 4GB GTX 960 is actually very similar in performance, sometimes the 960 is faster and sometimes the 380X is faster but I do think the 380X is faster overall and wins more times than the 960.

I always thought the 4Gb GTX 960 is a con-job...still has the same 128bit memory interface, yes? How does it use twice the buffer efficiently? They made the reservoir larger but the pipes are the same. I stand to be corrected but I can't imagine there are situations where the ~R500.00 bucks extra is actually worth it.
 
I always thought the 4Gb GTX 960 is a con-job...still has the same 128bit memory interface, yes? How does it use twice the buffer efficiently? They made the reservoir larger but the pipes are the same. I stand to be corrected but I can't imagine there are situations where the ~R500.00 bucks extra is actually worth it.

That's why I still recommended him to stick with the 380X, the only reason the 960 gets close in performance is by sheer brute force, meaning a extremely high core and memory clock speed.
 

So I am now convinced there is something wrong. I removed all previous versions of the driver and installed the one you linked to. Once done I did a reboot and then started Unigine again. It ran through the first couple of scenes as normal (fans off) then got to the part it normally shuts down at when all of a sudden the fans went to 100% for a second and then off again, then a couple seconds later shot up to 100% again and then fans went off and then the picture died and I had to do a hard reboot. The GPU was really hot to the touch after the screen died. I honestly don't know what else to try.
 
That's why I still recommended him to stick with the 380X, the only reason the 960 gets close in performance is by sheer brute force, meaning a extremely high core and memory clock speed.

I was comparing the 4Gb version of the 960 to the 2Gb version...there looks like a R500 premium for the 4Gb version but I can't see the value there (I was comparing the MSI Gaming cards on Wootware).

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Agree weelz should stick with R9 380X for now.
 
Agreed, something is wrong.

You shouldn't have to install software and set a custom fan profile for something that should happen out of the box, hopefully Rebel Tech and the supplier sorts it out quick and you can get the Gigabyte.

Did you see the pic I posted, that looks a lot better with regards to clearance right?
 
Agreed, something is wrong.

You shouldn't have to install software and set a custom fan profile for something that should happen out of the box, hopefully Rebel Tech and the supplier sorts it out quick and you can get the Gigabyte.

Did you see the pic I posted, that looks a lot better with regards to clearance right?

Exactly what I thought. Atleast with this version the fans came on but like I said it wasn't a gradual increase, it was nothing then 100% for a second and then off again and then happened again before the screen going blank and having to do a hard reboot.

Yeah I saw the pic, going to take one from the same view and compare the two but from first look it seems it will close with the wire still touching which is better than a huge bulge in the side panel.

Is the Gigabyte one I linked to earlier the correct one? Also is it the same spec wise etc as the Sapphire I have now or will I be loosing anything?
 
I always thought the 4Gb GTX 960 is a con-job...still has the same 128bit memory interface, yes?

Compression, that 128-bit bus is being used way more efficiently. You can monitor the bus usage with RTSS & MSI Afterburner and you will see that it's not struggling. In many games the 4GB version offers some real performance boosts over it's 2GB sibling.
 
I was comparing the 4Gb version of the 960 to the 2Gb version...there looks like a R500 premium for the 4Gb version but I can't see the value there (I was comparing the MSI Gaming cards on Wootware).

One swallow does not make a summer.

Crysis you will see no difference as it does not use much vram, a game like AC Unity though will run much better on the 4GB card though. Digital Foundry & Gamers Nexus did some videos on this I think.
 
Compression, that 128-bit bus is being used way more efficiently. You can monitor the bus usage with RTSS & MSI Afterburner and you will see that it's not struggling. In many games the 4GB version offers some real performance boosts over it's 2GB sibling.

what are you, a memory manufacturer? :p

The question was interesting...dunno why I never looked into it when I bought my 960 (I think there wasn't a 4Gb version at the time).

http://www.techspot.com/review/1114-vram-comparison-test/page5.html

Of the eleven games tested five of them showed absolutely no change in performance regardless of the quality settings, and those games included Crysis 3, Battlefield 4, The Witcher 3, Dragon Age: Inquisition and Dying Light.

There are some seriously good looking and very demanding games in that list.

Crysis 3 only used 2.4GB of VRAM and yet both the GTX 960 and R9 380 struggled to deliver playable performance using the best graphics settings at 1080p. A similar story was found when testing with The Witcher 3 and Dragon Age: Inquisition. Interestingly, Dying Light consumed up to 3.5GBs of VRAM when there was enough at its disposal and yet there was no performance difference between 2GB and 4GB graphics cards.

Then we ran into games such as Assassin's Creed Syndicate and Just Cause 3, where the 4GB models did provide additional performance, but only when faced with unplayable conditions. For example, Assassin's Creed Syndicate at 1080p using the R9 380 and GTX 960 on "Ultra High" settings, frame rates went from the low 20s on 2GB models to high 20s for the 4GB models.

Once the graphics settings were set back to "High" both the 2GB and 4GB models provided very playable performance and the GTX 960 delivered the exact same performance regardless of memory capacity.

The only games that genuinely benefited from having a larger 4GB frame buffer were Star Wars Battlefront, Shadow of Mordor (if only slightly) and Rainbow Six Siege. Of those games, Rainbow Six Siege was the big one, and while the 2GB R9 380 and 2GB GTX 960 still delivered very playable performance at 1080p using maxed out settings, the 4GB models were much faster. The 4GB 39 380 enjoyed 23% more performance, while the GTX 960 was 16% faster.

This was a common theme and we found that while the R9 380 benefited from the larger 4GB frame buffer in games such as Grand Theft Auto V, Just Cause 3 and Star Wars Battlefront, the GeForce GTX 960 didn’t. In fact, we saw very few cases were the GTX 960 4GB made sense, and certainly there were no instances where the 2GB frame buffer crippled performance.

Not that I had the option but glad I didn't burn R500 on the extra memory.
 
One swallow does not make a summer.

Crysis you will see no difference as it does not use much vram, a game like AC Unity though will run much better on the 4GB card though. Digital Foundry & Gamers Nexus did some videos on this I think.

Lol, you read my next post before I posted it :)

There is a performance jump but like those guys found, it went from unplayable to slightly less unplayable. I think the 960 2Gb was well-balanced when it came out and Nvidia slapped another 2Gb memory onto it to compete with the 380 (but compete from a marketing point of view).
 
Exactly what I thought. Atleast with this version the fans came on but like I said it wasn't a gradual increase, it was nothing then 100% for a second and then off again and then happened again before the screen going blank and having to do a hard reboot.

Yeah I saw the pic, going to take one from the same view and compare the two but from first look it seems it will close with the wire still touching which is better than a huge bulge in the side panel.

Is the Gigabyte one I linked to earlier the correct one? Also is it the same spec wise etc as the Sapphire I have now or will I be loosing anything?

Yes the one you linked to is the correct one, the Sapphire is factory overclocked to a higher speed but like I said, I doubt it will be more than a 2FPS difference in game and you can easily clock the Gigabyte faster if you want.

I browsed a bunch of forums and on Reddit and saw many pics of the Gigabyte G1 cards, all 114mm, in the Air 240 case and the guys said the cards fit without the cables touching, with the side panel on the case they say it has about 1cm between the plugged in connector and the window. The outer part of the fan seems to be 114mm and the connector is about 110mm whereas the Sapphire one the connectors look to be flush with the fan at 126.5mm.
 
Yes the one you linked to is the correct one, the Sapphire is factory overclocked to a higher speed but like I said, I doubt it will be more than a 2FPS difference in game and you can easily clock the Gigabyte faster if you want.

I browsed a bunch of forums and on Reddit and saw many pics of the Gigabyte G1 cards, all 114mm, in the Air 240 case and the guys said the cards fit without the cables touching, with the side panel on the case they say it has about 1cm between the plugged in connector and the window. The outer part of the fan seems to be 114mm and the connector is about 110mm whereas the Sapphire one the connectors look to be flush with the fan at 126.5mm.

Great thanks again for all the tips. I will ask Rebeltech to swap the card for the Gigabyte one then. I don't mind the factory overclock as I don't think there is much benefit to be gained and if I can then overclock myself theres really no need then.

It sounds like that card will fit great swell which is much better for me actually :) The Sapphire connectors were sitting flush with the fan but even just the height difference between the two should be enough for the side panels to close without getting in the way.

So I am right in thinking that going from the Sapphire to the Gigabyte won't really give me any noticeable loss? I don't mind a frame or 2 here and there, Im talking more about noticeable loss?
 
Great thanks again for all the tips. I will ask Rebeltech to swap the card for the Gigabyte one then. I don't mind the factory overclock as I don't think there is much benefit to be gained and if I can then overclock myself theres really no need then.

It sounds like that card will fit great swell which is much better for me actually :) The Sapphire connectors were sitting flush with the fan but even just the height difference between the two should be enough for the side panels to close without getting in the way.

So I am right in thinking that going from the Sapphire to the Gigabyte won't really give me any noticeable loss? I don't mind a frame or 2 here and there, Im talking more about noticeable loss?

No loss, both are 380X just different manufactures, same connectors, warranty everything except for the higher clock and memory, which again won't mean much in the real world.
 
No loss, both are 380X just different manufactures, same connectors, warranty everything except for the higher clock and memory, which again won't mean much in the real world.

Great!

Just one concern (maybe I am looking wrong tho), when I look on each ones website they show they both the same height?

Sapphire R9 380X

Gigabyte G1

Or should I not look too much into that info especially if others have fitted the G1 into an Air 240.

EDIT: I was looking at height instead of width - I blame my tiredness on this PC :)
 
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Great!

Just one concern (maybe I am looking wrong tho), when I look on each ones website they show they both the same height?

Sapphire R9 380X

Gigabyte G1

Or should I not look too much into that info especially if others have fitted the G1 into an Air 240.

EDIT: I was looking at height instead of width - I blame my tiredness on this PC :)

I just hope after all this you are happy with the PC. It's basically the same as my PC with a much better GPU so from personal experience I think it will handle everything you want to do.
 
I just hope after all this you are happy with the PC. It's basically the same as my PC with a much better GPU so from personal experience I think it will handle everything you want to do.

Yeah I am really hoping it will all be worth it in the end... If I ever get this thing up and running 100% that is :twisted:
 
I just hope after all this you are happy with the PC. It's basically the same as my PC with a much better GPU so from personal experience I think it will handle everything you want to do.

Yeah I am really hoping it will all be worth it in the end... If I ever get this thing up and running 100% that is :twisted:
 
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