What supplements do you take?

MaisonP said:
So if my Test count is low and I feel depressed because I don’t feel a sense of well-being anymore would you rather prescribe depression medicine or would you recommend going on HRT?
This is not in my case but it’s to easy for doctors to prescribe anti depression meds and not do blood work to check the actual cause of feeling depressed.
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Agreed. SA is miles behind on this and the prescriptions of SSRI and Benzo's is out of control. Even normal pain meds, I had back surgery and the repeat prescription of pain meds was so irresponsible.

pinball wizard said:
Probably not. Turk is a real thing, along with Tongkat Ali. (also that one from Nigeria (i forget the name), but literally makes your balls grow noticeably bigger - that's a no from me)
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I tried turkesterone and ecdysterone. Didnt do anything special for me, but I am on TRT and have done cycles before so I may be a bad baseline.


RiaX said:
So SSRIs are more dangerous than HRT ? Lmao.

So what you plan to deal with the shifts in the brain function or the negative feedback loops ?

It's fine if you don't listen. You will make someone like me rich later with your arrogance. You'll end up on the ssri or something heavier anyways ;)
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What negative feedback loop? SSRI can be dangerous, but so can panado. Its all relative.
There still needs to be longer term data on TRT, but most of the data seems to indicate pretty low side effects and pretty good benefits if done in a safe and intelligent manner.

Depending what you treating and why it is occuring would determine the course of medical action to take. I dont think sweeping statements of one is better than another is valid or applicable.

RiaX said:
That's because what appears to be your perfect scenario is far more complicated than you realise/understand. You also assume a short term course will suddenly correct the issue which is another error.

You also failed to realise if you stop the HRT you will cause a further reduction in tes and hence a greater depression for the patient thus not solving the issue.

Then when the patient eventually suffers from HRT then what ? How many drugs you going to use to combat these side effect to only end up on the SSRI anyways.

Too short sighted with zero clinical experience.
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You can stop TRT and recover your natural testosterone. There are plenty of studies, bloodwork etc that supports this. You can take huge amounts of AAS and recover. Sure, not all recoveries are easy, and you might be the small percentage that simply doesnt recover.
You mention a short term course will suddenly correct the issue...well, if the issue is low testosterone, then TRT, which is just hormone replacement, and generally long term, will correct the issue. TRT is not the only corrective measure for low testosterone though, diet, fsh/lh signalling, stress etc all play a role and a proper doctor would be able to advise on the correct course of action.

How do you suffer from HRT? And what do you mean how many drugs are needed to combat the side effects? IF you are on HRT, you shouldnt need other drugs, if you need an AI or SERM, your dosage is wrong.

RVR said:
I would take creatine however I've tried it many times and yet got fine pimples,(bare in mind I've always had acne issue but this made it worse) anyways I do drink alot of water but no difference.

Do you guys think it's necessary though to take it? I assume not.
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There is no correlation i know of between creatine and acne.
When you say necessary, thats relative. It isnt necessary, but it is probably useful. It is one of the OTC supps that actually is useful, has studied benefits and increases performance in certain areas. It is a low cost item and I generally take it.

Madhawk said:
Once you hop on HRT/TRT you know it’s for life. There’s no short term, we are aware that your natural test will shut down and the chances of it getting back to normal is slim if you stop. But hopping on a low dose test doesn’t cause you to go crazy or depression.

Now if you were talking about Trenbolone, then I would agree with you. That steroid will cause Jealousy, anxiety, paranoia, aggression, insomnia and even weird sexual fetishes. Tren ****s your mind and I don’t recommend that to anyone, unless you compete.
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Ive been tempted to take tren just to see how bad it actually is. I am on my first 19nor now, using NPP at a really low dosage, and even that has increased my anxiety pretty badly. My body responds really well though
 
MaisonP said:
No i am 100% on my side. I am out for the count the complete evening. I jumped from 2.5mg Zolnox to 6mg Melatonin and feel great in the mornings.
I was referring to @RVR post

**Need to add. I am around 107kg so 3mg is just not enough. I order Melatonin through the Compounding pharmacy in Bryanston and they make up 5mg usually but i am not in SA.
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Sleep is such an issue for me. I used to take stilnox / zolpidem every now and again, but its so bad for you and I feel like trash in the morning.
Lately, practicing mindfullness has really helped and helps me clear my head if I wake up in the middle of the night. Normally I would wake, start thinking and thats the end of it, but now its almost at a controllable level
 
syntax said:
Agreed. SA is miles behind on this and the prescriptions of SSRI and Benzo's is out of control. Even normal pain meds, I had back surgery and the repeat prescription of pain meds was so irresponsible.



I tried turkesterone and ecdysterone. Didnt do anything special for me, but I am on TRT and have done cycles before so I may be a bad baseline.




What negative feedback loop? SSRI can be dangerous, but so can panado. Its all relative.
There still needs to be longer term data on TRT, but most of the data seems to indicate pretty low side effects and pretty good benefits if done in a safe and intelligent manner.

Depending what you treating and why it is occuring would determine the course of medical action to take. I dont think sweeping statements of one is better than another is valid or applicable.



You can stop TRT and recover your natural testosterone. There are plenty of studies, bloodwork etc that supports this. You can take huge amounts of AAS and recover. Sure, not all recoveries are easy, and you might be the small percentage that simply doesnt recover.
You mention a short term course will suddenly correct the issue...well, if the issue is low testosterone, then TRT, which is just hormone replacement, and generally long term, will correct the issue. TRT is not the only corrective measure for low testosterone though, diet, fsh/lh signalling, stress etc all play a role and a proper doctor would be able to advise on the correct course of action.

How do you suffer from HRT? And what do you mean how many drugs are needed to combat the side effects? IF you are on HRT, you shouldnt need other drugs, if you need an AI or SERM, your dosage is wrong.



There is no correlation i know of between creatine and acne.
When you say necessary, thats relative. It isnt necessary, but it is probably useful. It is one of the OTC supps that actually is useful, has studied benefits and increases performance in certain areas. It is a low cost item and I generally take it.



Ive been tempted to take tren just to see how bad it actually is. I am on my first 19nor now, using NPP at a really low dosage, and even that has increased my anxiety pretty badly. My body responds really well though
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You speak facts.
You mention you are wanting to try Tren. How old are you if I may ask.
 
syntax said:
Sleep is such an issue for me. I used to take stilnox / zolpidem every now and again, but its so bad for you and I feel like trash in the morning.
Lately, practicing mindfullness has really helped and helps me clear my head if I wake up in the middle of the night. Normally I would wake, start thinking and thats the end of it, but now its almost at a controllable level
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Same as you. Zolpi made me feel like a zombie and I have been feeling 1000% better since being off it for more than a year now.
I am quite happy with where I am now with regards to sleeping. Melatonin has really helped me a lot, specially coming off the Zolpi. No more feeling like crap in the mornings
 
MaisonP said:
You speak facts.
You mention you are wanting to try Tren. How old are you if I may ask.
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Not seriously though. I just want to know if its really as bad as I have read, but I wont ever try it. I am not a competitor and honestly I can get to where I need to using a lot less supplements.
Im 40 now, running 150 NPP and 150 test E p/w, getting bloods in 2 weeks to see how its going, but the anxiety is already unpleasant so I might just drop it and stay on the test
 
syntax said:
Not seriously though. I just want to know if its really as bad as I have read, but I wont ever try it. I am not a competitor and honestly I can get to where I need to using a lot less supplements.
Im 40 now, running 150 NPP and 150 test E p/w, getting bloods in 2 weeks to see how its going, but the anxiety is already unpleasant so I might just drop it and stay on the test
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Okay we close. The thing is with Tren ace is it’s only 75mg/ml but its around 5 times more anabolic that any other test.
You will also have to stack tren ace with test cypio.
What is your stats? H/W/BF?
 
MaisonP said:
Okay we close. The thing is with Tren ace is it’s only 75mg/ml but its around 5 times more anabolic that any other test.
You will also have to stack tren ace with test cypio.
What is your stats? H/W/BF?
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Height, im proud to say (3cm taller since my surgery :) is 178
Weight: around 90Kg now
BF: About 15%, I had a rough patch but am trying to be strict again
 
syntax said:
Height, im proud to say (3cm taller since my surgery :) is 178
Weight: around 90Kg now
BF: About 15%, I had a rough patch but am trying to be strict again
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We similar height as well.
Good on you. I am 1’79 and hovering between 105 and 107kg. Also around 15%
Never been fitter and feeling great.
38 years old.

Just another point on the Tren, if you are a family man and have kids, then rather stay away. It’s just not worth it. Tren will rule your life while you are cycling it. Make no mistake, it’s an amazing compound and totally transformed my body, but the mental effects are overwhelming to say the least.
 
syntax said:
Sleep is such an issue for me. I used to take stilnox / zolpidem every now and again, but its so bad for you and I feel like trash in the morning.
Lately, practicing mindfullness has really helped and helps me clear my head if I wake up in the middle of the night. Normally I would wake, start thinking and thats the end of it, but now its almost at a controllable level
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I've been on Zopiclone for 5 years now, now I'm aware that's not the healthiest way to get a goodnights rest, but it's a life saver for me. For years I've struggled with insomnia, I've tried melatonin, somnil, Zma, betasleep etc... But this is the only pill that gives me my 6 to 8 hours sleep.

I have a choice, do I take a pill that knocks me out for 6 to 8 hours or do I spend the rest of the day, tired, unproductive, irritated, grumpy and fatigued. I choose a pill.

People have no idea how important sleep is for our health and recovery.
 
Madhawk said:
I've been on Zopiclone for 5 years now, now I'm aware that's not the healthiest way to get a goodnights rest, but it's a life saver for me. For years I've struggled with insomnia, I've tried melatonin, somnil, Zma, betasleep etc... But this is the only pill that gives me my 6 to 8 hours sleep.

I have a choice, do I take a pill that knocks me out for 6 to 8 hours or do I spend the rest of the day, tired, unproductive, irritated, grumpy and fatigued. I choose a pill.

People have no idea how important sleep is for our health and recovery.
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Same here regarding sleep. I didn’t know how much the Zopi actually made me feel like absolute schyte the next morning. I felt like death the next morning and only managed to get into gear around 9am.
I was on 2.5mg so half a tab at night. It did for sure gave me a full nights rest but the next morning was the problem.
I had to wien myself from 5mg to 2.5mg and then went from no Zopi to melatonin, 6mg and that really helped me transition.

I do hope one day you can get a proper nights sleep without Zopi.
It really was a life changer for me.
 
Madhawk said:
I've been on Zopiclone for 5 years now, now I'm aware that's not the healthiest way to get a goodnights rest, but it's a life saver for me. For years I've struggled with insomnia, I've tried melatonin, somnil, Zma, betasleep etc... But this is the only pill that gives me my 6 to 8 hours sleep.

I have a choice, do I take a pill that knocks me out for 6 to 8 hours or do I spend the rest of the day, tired, unproductive, irritated, grumpy and fatigued. I choose a pill.

People have no idea how important sleep is for our health and recovery.
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I need to know more about zopiclone!

I tried somnil, got it last.. It's absolutely horrible. It actually gives me insomnia, i was so disappointed.

I did take xanax and that worked but sometimes it doesn't

Is zopiclone OTC? (if not it's fine i Maybe able to still get it)

How much is it usually?

Thanks!
 
Thread about supplements turns into a thread about Tren? I'm not disappointed :ROFL:

Tren affect everyone differently. Some people hate the mental effects and it makes them ruin their lives. Having taken it in low doses(105mg a week) I can say that I have the opposite problem. If it wasn't toxic I would run it forever, I love its effects. Yes it does turn me into a bit more of a dick, makes me more irresponsible, confident and have a IDGAF attitude, but I get so much done and have a lot of fun. Strangely enough women also seems to like it, my primary told in so many words that she likes the way it changes me.

No paranoia, anger or jealousy. One reason may be because i use lithium orotate, that have a definite mood stabilizing effect.

If you try to have a normal life with office job, wife, kids etc probably not a good idea. You may just fck another girl in front of your wife and tell your wife "you're next".

For me, the Golden Demon Serum is the best thing ever. But its a powerful drug, not a supplement.

As for NPP, that makes me feel horrible and gives me panic attacks even at 70mg a week. Won't touch again.
 
syntax said:
Agreed. SA is miles behind on this and the prescriptions of SSRI and Benzo's is out of control. Even normal pain meds, I had back surgery and the repeat prescription of pain meds was so irresponsible.



I tried turkesterone and ecdysterone. Didnt do anything special for me, but I am on TRT and have done cycles before so I may be a bad baseline.




What negative feedback loop? SSRI can be dangerous, but so can panado. Its all relative.
There still needs to be longer term data on TRT, but most of the data seems to indicate pretty low side effects and pretty good benefits if done in a safe and intelligent manner.

Depending what you treating and why it is occuring would determine the course of medical action to take. I dont think sweeping statements of one is better than another is valid or applicable.



You can stop TRT and recover your natural testosterone. There are plenty of studies, bloodwork etc that supports this. You can take huge amounts of AAS and recover. Sure, not all recoveries are easy, and you might be the small percentage that simply doesnt recover.
You mention a short term course will suddenly correct the issue...well, if the issue is low testosterone, then TRT, which is just hormone replacement, and generally long term, will correct the issue. TRT is not the only corrective measure for low testosterone though, diet, fsh/lh signalling, stress etc all play a role and a proper doctor would be able to advise on the correct course of action.

How do you suffer from HRT? And what do you mean how many drugs are needed to combat the side effects? IF you are on HRT, you shouldnt need other drugs, if you need an AI or SERM, your dosage is wrong.



There is no correlation i know of between creatine and acne.
When you say necessary, thats relative. It isnt necessary, but it is probably useful. It is one of the OTC supps that actually is useful, has studied benefits and increases performance in certain areas. It is a low cost item and I generally take it.



Ive been tempted to take tren just to see how bad it actually is. I am on my first 19nor now, using NPP at a really low dosage, and even that has increased my anxiety pretty badly. My body responds really well though
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Nooo. It definitely causes me acne. I've also thought it didn't until I did research and lots of people get it. When I stop creatine my skin cleared. It was tiny pimples. I have acne prone skin so i think that made it worse.
 
Nuke said:
Thread about supplements turns into a thread about Tren? I'm not disappointed :ROFL:

Tren affect everyone differently. Some people hate the mental effects and it makes them ruin their lives. Having taken it in low doses(105mg a week) I can say that I have the opposite problem. If it wasn't toxic I would run it forever, I love its effects. Yes it does turn me into a bit more of a dick, makes me more irresponsible, confident and have a IDGAF attitude, but I get so much done and have a lot of fun. Strangely enough women also seems to like it, my primary told in so many words that she likes the way it changes me.

No paranoia, anger or jealousy. One reason may be because i use lithium orotate, that have a definite mood stabilizing effect.

If you try to have a normal life with office job, wife, kids etc probably not a good idea. You may just fck another girl in front of your wife and tell your wife "you're next".

For me, the Golden Demon Serum is the best thing ever. But its a powerful drug, not a supplement.

As for NPP, that makes me feel horrible and gives me panic attacks even at 70mg a week. Won't touch again.
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Nice write up.
It never ruined my life neither, but it did dominate my life for the while I was on. And effects exactly as you mentioned but I did get Tren cough once. I could feel it was hectic on my body but it really is next a next level compound.
 
RVR said:
Where do you buys yours from? (brand) and price please.
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I use the Now foods brand you can get on Takealot for R195. I take a quarter of the 3mg capsule because I read in a medical journal that 0.3mg was effective for most people. If I take too much more I wake up a couple of hours later and I can’t fall asleep again.
 
You guys buying this stuff on the black market? Lol some seems super sketchy.
 
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