What supplements do you take?

RVR said:
I need to know more about zopiclone!

I tried somnil, got it last.. It's absolutely horrible. It actually gives me insomnia, i was so disappointed.

I did take xanax and that worked but sometimes it doesn't

Is zopiclone OTC? (if not it's fine i Maybe able to still get it)

How much is it usually?

Thanks!
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No it isn’t OTC, these medications are dangerous and don’t actually put you to sleep as much as put you in an unconscious state. The brainwaves associated with sleep are absent on these drugs.

Try to rather find the cause of your insomnia - what’s your caffeine intake like, for starters?
 
Nike7 said:
No it isn’t OTC, these medications are dangerous and don’t actually put you to sleep as much as put you in an unconscious state. The brainwaves associated with sleep are absent on these drugs.

Try to rather find the cause of your insomnia - what’s your caffeine intake like, for starters?
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My cause was actually due to flying/travelling, and travelling a lot between SA - Bangkok - Hong Kong - Vietnam - Istanbul etc throughout the month over a few months. The change in time zones made it difficult to have a proper sleeping pattern.
From there I needed assistance with sleeping and went to go see a Dr. He mentioned to me that Melatonin would have been perfect for my issue and he prescribed me 6mg daily and that really helped me “reset” in each different country.
I now keep melatonin with me where ever i go. Here in Bangkok I pay +-R200 for 120 x 6mg capsules.
 
RVR said:
I need to know more about zopiclone!

I tried somnil, got it last.. It's absolutely horrible. It actually gives me insomnia, i was so disappointed.

I did take xanax and that worked but sometimes it doesn't

Is zopiclone OTC? (if not it's fine i Maybe able to still get it)

How much is it usually?

Thanks!
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Somnil makes me feel groggy the next morning.

Zopiclone is a schedule 5 medication, so only via prescription. (7,5mg)

Once I have my first cup of coffee in the morning, I'm wide awake, no more grogginess.

Just be warned, once you get used to Zopiclone/Zolpidem/Stilnox, you get hooked.
 
Madhawk said:
Somnil makes me feel groggy the next morning.

Zopiclone is a schedule 5 medication, so only via prescription. (7,5mg)

Once I have my first cup of coffee in the morning, I'm wide awake, no more grogginess.

Just be warned, once you get used to Zopiclone/Zolpidem/Stilnox, you get hooked.
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No more than R250 for 30 x 5mg tabs.
 
Madhawk said:
Somnil makes me feel groggy the next morning.

Zopiclone is a schedule 5 medication, so only via prescription. (7,5mg)

Once I have my first cup of coffee in the morning, I'm wide awake, no more grogginess.

Just be warned, once you get used to Zopiclone/Zolpidem/Stilnox, you get hooked.
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I totally understand, i just need something on those days for sleep when i feel like wreck because i lack it.

I won't use it every day but judging by the price I'll probably stay clear of it for now lol
 
Nike7 said:
No it isn’t OTC, these medications are dangerous and don’t actually put you to sleep as much as put you in an unconscious state. The brainwaves associated with sleep are absent on these drugs.

Try to rather find the cause of your insomnia - what’s your caffeine intake like, for starters?
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To be honest my caffeine level is low, only drink coffee as my pre-workout and soda every other day. Nothing too hectic.

I just can't stop my thoughts...
 
Nike7 said:
I use the Now foods brand you can get on Takealot for R195. I take a quarter of the 3mg capsule because I read in a medical journal that 0.3mg was effective for most people. If I take too much more I wake up a couple of hours later and I can’t fall asleep again.
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Will definitely check this one out as well!
 
MaisonP said:
Sorry was referring to Zolnoxs.
I would assume they very similar?
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Probably! I'll find out from a person i know that works in the pharmacy what's the price of it...

I can get certain meds without prescription but I don't abuse it

Only bought xanaxs for sleep but it zopiclone is not too expensive, I'll probably get that.
 
RVR said:
Probably! I'll find out from a person i know that works in the pharmacy what's the price of it...

I can get certain meds without prescription but I don't abuse it

Only bought xanaxs for sleep but it zopiclone is not too expensive, I'll probably get that.
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Yeah I think used to pay R250 also without prescription. It’s still really cheap.
Here in Bangkok is pay about R400
 
Omg I had typed a long post and is disappeared.... basic points

Depot tes is a bad idea to boost and use and as anabolic steroid. Don't do it. (As this was a supplement thread that was my original point before people started throwing scenarios).

Psych eval is required for the depressed scenario. Happens often the SSRI would probably be initiated for 3 months to provide the patient with the ability to achieve lifestyle modifications to rectify if that is successful SSRI will be stopped. If it fails then standard treatment algorithms will be followed by the physician. I have personally never seen a patient treated for depression with TRT and I've worked in an mental institution for over 5 years. Theoretically is it possible to do so? Probably I'll concede to that.

If they hypogonadism then yes TRT would have to be used.

Now lots of talk about hypnotics. If you want something to sleep consider Phenergan. We use that for our drug addicted patients. It's quite effective and OTC. You start at 10 or 25 MG and increase over time up to 75mg per night. You can run it by your GP but they will dismiss it and probably go guns blazing with the 5s which is quite sad. Good option if you don't want to be dependent on the zopiclone and zolpidems ect

*Please run my dosing by your Dr or pharmacist and don't just take my ranges for granted as I do not know your medical status*
 
semaphore said:
You guys buying this stuff on the black market? Lol some seems super sketchy.
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There is a large underground lab market for anabolics, sarms and other items.
TRT through pharma grade is quite a bit more expensive than just buying from a UG lab. Obviously there is no guarantee of quality, but some labs have been around for long and have people who do regular bloods etc so they are "trusted"

Then for pharma stuff, some is quite easy to source without scripts. Things used for weightloss are incredibly easy to get (relislim, duromine, ozempic etc) and then others like stillnox, viagra, cialis, nolvadex are also usually sourced from the same place.

You usually get 2 types of sources, the guys into gym and fitness and then the dodgy guy who sells oxy and stuff.
 
RiaX said:
Omg I had typed a long post and is disappeared.... basic points

Depot tes is a bad idea to boost and use and as anabolic steroid. Don't do it. (As this was a supplement thread that was my original point before people started throwing scenarios).
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Why do you say this?
It is pretty much the stock standard go to (or test E) for almost any anabolic user. Going on cycle without a test base is just an awful idea.
If you are saying dont do anabolic steroids and just worded this badly, then I partially agree. There are certainly worse things to do (smoking, alcohol, bad eating habits), but definitely not doing it is healthier than doing it.

For TRT, test cyp / enanthate is favored now as well using smaller but more frequent dosages. Nebido was just an awful idea and Im glad it is no longer used for TRT.

I take mine sub-q with an insulin pin every second day. The higher frequency and lower dosages each pin reduces the side effects.
 
RiaX said:
Omg I had typed a long post and is disappeared.... basic points

Depot tes is a bad idea to boost and use and as anabolic steroid. Don't do it. (As this was a supplement thread that was my original point before people started throwing scenarios).

Psych eval is required for the depressed scenario. Happens often the SSRI would probably be initiated for 3 months to provide the patient with the ability to achieve lifestyle modifications to rectify if that is successful SSRI will be stopped. If it fails then standard treatment algorithms will be followed by the physician. I have personally never seen a patient treated for depression with TRT and I've worked in an mental institution for over 5 years. Theoretically is it possible to do so? Probably I'll concede to that.

If they hypogonadism then yes TRT would have to be used.

Now lots of talk about hypnotics. If you want something to sleep consider Phenergan. We use that for our drug addicted patients. It's quite effective and OTC. You start at 10 or 25 MG and increase over time up to 75mg per night. You can run it by your GP but they will dismiss it and probably go guns blazing with the 5s which is quite sad. Good option if you don't want to be dependent on the zopiclone and zolpidems ect

*Please run my dosing by your Dr or pharmacist and don't just take my ranges for granted as I do not know your medical status*
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Thanks for the reply.
So once you have seen the patient, have you ever considered doing blood work to check specifically for low test, or is it basically straight onto anti depression meds?
 
syntax said:
Why do you say this?
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Because I had plenty of Depot tes users in my psych unit it's extremely common and a known side effect profile of tes. Then there's also the cardiac side effect profile.

These side effects manifest over a long period of time exactly like smoking.
 
syntax said:
Why do you say this?
It is pretty much the stock standard go to (or test E) for almost any anabolic user. Going on cycle without a test base is just an awful idea.
If you are saying dont do anabolic steroids and just worded this badly, then I partially agree. There are certainly worse things to do (smoking, alcohol, bad eating habits), but definitely not doing it is healthier than doing it.

For TRT, test cyp / enanthate is favored now as well using smaller but more frequent dosages. Nebido was just an awful idea and Im glad it is no longer used for TRT.

I take mine sub-q with an insulin pin every second day. The higher frequency and lower dosages each pin reduces the side effects.
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Should we move this conversation to the next level and start talking about HGH?
 
MaisonP said:
Thanks for the reply.
So once you have seen the patient, have you ever considered doing blood work to check specifically for low test, or is it basically straight onto anti depression meds?
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Depends on the consultation process. If the patient is complaining about low libido the psych might do it.
 
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