Who here has an etag?

HDS said:
LOL looks like house is back. Don't know why anyone even bothers to respond to him. Obvious troll is obvious.
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I don't see how asking people to elaborate on what they are saying can be considered trolling...
 
maumau said:
17. Registered motorists further consent to the onerous provision that it will be deemed that the fees charged by Sanral are correct and the onus is placed on the motorist to prove that such charges are incorrect. Sanral's cocking up left, right and centre
21. By registering, the motorist agrees and accepts that Sanral will be entitled and without notice to the motorist to suspend an E Toll account and to Red List an E Tag, for failure of any of Sanral terms & conditions. Should the motorist later prove that there was no transgression of Sanral terms & conditions, they will have no claim against Sanral as in terms of the agreement such claims are waived by the motorist in favor of Sanral. Why no recourse?
23. By registering, the motorist irrevocably authorizes Sanral or its duly authorized agents to obtain from any institutions where they may have an account or any credit bureau any information concerning themselves.Not mine, you don't
24. By registering the motorist further acknowledge and accepts that Sanral may unilaterally update and amend their terms & conditions and that the motorist has consented to such amendments and has agreed to abide by such amended terms & conditions. Excuse me?????????????? Sanral can change the Ts&Cs without my consent and say i've agreed to them??? i think not.

these just don't do it for me. haven't really read the rest.
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Yeah - those aren't listed in the latest T&Cs document.

You can download the latest version from here:

http://www.sanral.co.za/e-toll/app/...ocuments/e-toll_TermsAndConditions.pdf?id=123
 
I dont have a tag, wont get one and commute daily between Midrand, Edenvale and Bryanston, all on crappy potholed non robot working back routes, **** scamral, slip on and off the highway all the time and haven't been under one gantry yet. Sure travel time has increased but have more time to ponder about life and swear at scamral while driving.
 
I'm going to buy one soon.
I've given it a lot of thought and I actually believe in the user-pay principle. That overrides my objections around my money being wasted, lack of consultation etc.
 
Don't have, not getting. Lucky enough to use the Unfreeways very seldom, so just keep a record of those days and times for if/when the invoices arrive. Got two last week for the same account and amount of R34.74. I think it most likely cost them more to send those invoices than it has earned them.
 
Durandal said:
Don't have, not getting. Lucky enough to use the Unfreeways very seldom, so just keep a record of those days and times for if/when the invoices arrive. Got two last week for the same account and amount of R34.74. I think it most likely cost them more to send those invoices than it has earned them.
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To make sure you call their call centre and query every single gantry, to keep the call centre consultant busy. I wasted allready many of scamral's hours doing that.
 
Spoke to 2 person who got it.
They say it makes a sound when you past the gates.
Very soon the sound changes, please top up.

They want to throw it away.
 
This thread is just another attempt to lure people in to register for this shat. There are hundreds of threads on this forum to help you make up your mind.
 
HDS said:
This thread is just another attempt to lure people in to register for this shat. There are hundreds of threads on this forum to help you make up your mind.
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Just relax - I was just finding opinions and challenging some people on theirs.

At the end of the day do whatever works for you :)
 
Had a good laugh last night when I got home, an E-Toll account statement in my post telling me I have until 30/01/2014 to pay R162.54 at a discounted rate for travelling through gantries over December.

Funny thing is the number plate belongs to my old vehicle, which was sold and removed from my name over 6 months ago, confirmed that it is not on my name with the traffic department.

And the funniest thing about this is I live in Cape Town and have not been to Jozi in about two years.

Now the VPC department will not issue me with the photos, they say the procedure is for me to register online then view the photos, then I must fill in a dispute form and send it to them.

lololololololol what a bunch of douchebags.
 
It depends on if you want to look after yourself vs look after our country. Supporting etolls by giving in to these threatening bills is like voting for the ANC because of free chicken wings and tshirts on the day. You're doing a great disservice to yourself and others in the long term.
 
eehellfire said:
I'm going to buy one soon.
I've given it a lot of thought and I actually believe in the user-pay principle. That overrides my objections around my money being wasted, lack of consultation etc.
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User-pays is a great principle. What you'll find in countries where it has been adopted successfully, is extensive consultation prior to even contemplation of investment. Numerous cities have declared themselves not ready for it, financially at least. Certain US states have been going through this process with their citizens and various groups for years now to determine the optimal method of adoption.

We're also now funding a wholly corrupt system. Let's just ignore the lack of consultation for a second here - the construction alone was subject to price-fixing on a major scale and massive fines have been issued to the construction cartels responsible. But we still have to repay the fully indebted position the government put us in. So the only group who scores here is the government. They get a nice fat bonus for themselves there, while we effectively still pay the inflated costs. The private sector did not subscribe to the bonds so government guaranteed it...with government pension money. We've been lied to at every step of this process - this I have conclusively proven in my video series.

And saving the best for last: this is just phase 1! There are two more phases scheduled for Gauteng which Sanral are now embarking on if we give in. Phase 2 is set for a 20% larger scale than phase 1, and will cost far more than the initial R30-odd billion we've already paid. Taking inflation into account we're looking at closer to R50bn. Again, for existing roads - no new road development at all. So take what you're paying now - double it, add another 50% when it comes to the date of implementation, and that's what you're agreeing to. Then phase 3 kicks in. IN GAUTENG STILL! That entails building new roads (eventually, but that's unlikely). Double it again, and add another 50% as well.

Your giving in amounts to tacit approval for all of these phases to start kicking in. R450 now? We're talking in excess of R2000 per month later down the line, and this excludes the raising of the payment ceiling for e-tags that I've shown is necessary, or government will have to bail them out behind the scenes.

This is what you are giving in to. It's not nearly as simple as saying "oh well, user pays makes sense so I'll just pay in any case".

I also agree with the user-pays principle. But not in the manner in which it's been adopted here...
 
DJ... said:
User-pays is a great principle. What you'll find in countries where it has been adopted successfully, is extensive consultation prior to even contemplation of investment. Numerous cities have declared themselves not ready for it, financially at least. Certain US states have been going through this process with their citizens and various groups for years now to determine the optimal method of adoption.

We're also now funding a wholly corrupt system. Let's just ignore the lack of consultation for a second here - the construction alone was subject to price-fixing on a major scale and massive fines have been issued to the construction cartels responsible. But we still have to repay the fully indebted position the government put us in. So the only group who scores here is the government. They get a nice fat bonus for themselves there, while we effectively still pay the inflated costs. The private sector did not subscribe to the bonds so government guaranteed it...with government pension money. We've been lied to at every step of this process - this I have conclusively proven in my video series.

And saving the best for last: this is just phase 1! There are two more phases scheduled for Gauteng which Sanral are now embarking on if we give in. Phase 2 is set for a 20% larger scale than phase 1, and will cost far more than the initial R30-odd billion we've already paid. Taking inflation into account we're looking at closer to R50bn. Again, for existing roads - no new road development at all. So take what you're paying now - double it, add another 50% when it comes to the date of implementation, and that's what you're agreeing to. Then phase 3 kicks in. IN GAUTENG STILL! That entails building new roads (eventually, but that's unlikely). Double it again, and add another 50% as well.

Your giving in amounts to tacit approval for all of these phases to start kicking in. R450 now? We're talking in excess of R2000 per month later down the line, and this excludes the raising of the payment ceiling for e-tags that I've shown is necessary, or government will have to bail them out behind the scenes.

This is what you are giving in to. It's not nearly as simple as saying "oh well, user pays makes sense so I'll just pay in any case".

I also agree with the user-pays principle. But not in the manner in which it's been adopted here...
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So honestly, I was trolling. None of the hot heads bit.
But now I feel bad because you gave a really comprehensive argument against what I said.

I won't be getting an etag, or registering my vehicles.
I might pay as an alternate user, mainly because I don't have the energy to resist, when the time comes. However, I have been saying that since December and have yet to drive through to an e-toll store, so maybe I won't pay out of laziness.
 
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