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Why do people smoke?
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rwenzori
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Ah, thank you, it's good to get recognitionWhy indeed, I *am* perfect!
LOL! Not yet - you're still "conceited".
Ah, thank you, it's good to get recognition
if nobody is perfect and you are perfect then that makes you a nobody. (its tongue in cheek, please dont take it seriously).
Please you had no intention of discussing it. I hope you and mr.Perfect have a wonderful smoke free life together, I am honored to be in the company of such Perfect people.
rwenzori
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Lord-Nikon
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I don't see a problem with bashing a weakness... honestly, am I supposed to be "respectful" of behaviour that is obviously and objectively bad/pointless/harmful/destructive/stupid/dirty/wasteful/deadly etc.? That's upside down ... in a world that makes sense, we reward intelligent behaviour and bash stupid behaviour and that's how it should be. Maybe people do these stupid things *because* everyone panders to it by "respecting" it or trying to "understand" it, or whatever. There IS nothing good about smoking, so bash away I say, let's all openly and unashamedly bash bad things until people get the message. I'm not going to walk as if on eggshells in case I "offend" a smoker. It's not *me* that offends you, it's the fact that smoking is *intrinsically* offensive to yourself, and all you're asking is that the bashers not REMIND you of this fact. The fact remains though, whether or not bashers exist.
Very well put! But you make it sound like smoker are seeking attention and sympathy when all we're looking for is to be left alone
Yes, if a smoker acts disrespectful towards non-smokers, bash away! But why generalize all smokers in the same category! Its like comparing a woman that had one glass of wine in her lifetime to a binge drinking bum!]my 0.02c
Peder
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Yeah guys carry on feeling sorry for yourselves...
Soo interesting to see how now that we couldn't give we get bashed eh? Turtle?
Soo interesting to see how now that we couldn't give we get bashed eh? Turtle?
TheHiveMind
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Why do people start to drink alc? Its the same reason. Its because it makes you feel good. Alc tastes just as shty as cigs do. Only prob is with cigarettes that high quickly becomes a thing of the past and addiction takes over. If you are only smoking 1-4 cigs a day, you can maintain that high. You can also get that high back when you haven't smoked for a long time, and then light one up. Thats why its difficult to quit because that lovely high is available to you again within a day of you quitting, yet while you smoke 20 a day, that high is not available to you at all.
How many retarded children did you kick today? Perfect my @$$.
rwenzori
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OK, in all earnestness, I never (seriously) claimed to be perfect - the point is though, whatever 'weaknesses' I do have, I also think anyone else should be welcome to bash. And why not? If I am doing something that really is 'bad' (or 'stupid' or whatever), why should people feel afraid to bash that? If society is like that, it has strange implications. I think if you have a value system, and you truly believe that value system is based on something sound, then the value system should be backed by a spine.
It's not personal. If you TRULY believe that smoking is a behaviour that makes sense, then you won't be offended by my bashing it, you won't take it personally, because you (conversely) will know the soundness of your own choices, and won't need others on a forum to validate your choices. We don't feel uncertainty about choices which we believe to not be in question. I'm not going to be complicit by validating your choice to smoke by doing the eggshell thing, nor do I expect others to validate my own (good or bad) choices.
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Wait, what? I meant we're not feeling sorry for ourselves
Read my previous post again Peder p.s. Not bashing, just giving my opinion
rwenzori
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We know you weren't being ( entirely, anyway ) serious!
First one has to look at what a "weakness" is. Ultimately we are just flakes of dust at the arse-end of the universe, and we just "are". Unless you mean something different. "Weakness" in terms of what?
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My philosophy on life is simple..work hard..party hard.. I dont do drugs (dont see the need to ) but weekends when I hit Hatfield pretoria I go big. I dont drive, I dont hurt nobody. I smoke a packet of Camel Lights a day. sure this **** will kill me eventually, but then again same can be said bout many things..chances are better dying in a car accident than dying from lung cancer..so shut the **** up u healthtrotuos people
i am 40 and have never smoked even though everyone around me smokes. i dont drink but on my 21st birthday my brother and our friend got me drunk on 3 beers and when i did my 2 yrs national service we used to go club hopping here in cape town and i had a few drinks. when i finished my two yrs in the army i cracked open a bottle of 5th avenue cold duck(saved from my moms second marriage) and finished it off with friends in the guard room, but a few hours later i was sober and have never drunk again since.
no one has forced me to smoke and or drink and when i walked out of that guardroom saying goodbye to my army carreer, i was not hooked on drinking whatsoever.
no one has forced me to smoke and or drink and when i walked out of that guardroom saying goodbye to my army carreer, i was not hooked on drinking whatsoever.
Ok, we got off on the wrong foot here, I dislike smoking, I never eat in a smoking section, I think it is a disgusting habit and will be making it my mission in life to quit very soon. My comment was not made because how I feel about smoking, but I got the impression that peder did not want to discuss this issue as much as he wanted to vent some frustration, I was disappointed for that reason as I was looking forward to some healthy(lol) debate on the subject, but it turned out to be just another bitching session.
And yes, the “how many retards did you kick today” was a joke.
TheHiveMind
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lol Bash away it is my decision lol
You seem to think I should be offended by the fact that Im killing myself. You seem to think I will regret all of this when I get lung cancer, and try to sue everyone. You seem to think I value my life more than my quality of life. I do not lol Couldn't give a fk if I die tomorrow, aslong as I have had fun my job is done. My philosophy says to me that death is always better than life.
Priority is fun, not old age. Infact, not getting old is more of a priority than getting old.
Can I bash you everytime you eat takeout? Can I bash you for not exercising all day? Can I bash you for everything that you are doing that is detrimental to your suvival?
Last time I checked, the only food that is not directly harmful to the human body is popcorn with nothing on it. So we are all doing things detrimental to our suvival already all of the time.. You driving? Shame on you, how dare you put your own life at risk.. Disgusting.. lol You drink beer? My God, thats a one way road to the grave my friend.
You seem to think I should be offended by the fact that Im killing myself. You seem to think I will regret all of this when I get lung cancer, and try to sue everyone. You seem to think I value my life more than my quality of life. I do not lol Couldn't give a fk if I die tomorrow, aslong as I have had fun my job is done. My philosophy says to me that death is always better than life.
Priority is fun, not old age. Infact, not getting old is more of a priority than getting old.
Can I bash you everytime you eat takeout? Can I bash you for not exercising all day? Can I bash you for everything that you are doing that is detrimental to your suvival?
Last time I checked, the only food that is not directly harmful to the human body is popcorn with nothing on it. So we are all doing things detrimental to our suvival already all of the time.. You driving? Shame on you, how dare you put your own life at risk.. Disgusting.. lol You drink beer? My God, thats a one way road to the grave my friend.
That's 20th-century nihilism, and I'm not infected by it. I think we're a whole lot more than that - even if just to ourselves and within our 'own system', it means something because it means something *to us*. These 'flakes of dust' have done some amazing things already, and it's inherently awesome that flakes of dust have done those things.
I mean stupid or destructive or self-destructive behaviours or bad habits (e.g. maybe I pig out eating junk food every day in front of the TV and allow myself to get fat, maybe I kick small dogs, maybe I troll Internet forums for hours every day ... OK, I don't do any of those things, they're just examples ... I do have a few bad habits, that are mild by most standards, but I don't want to discuss them here
).No, not really - check the context, that 'offended by' stuff was in response to some specific comments effectively seeming to request some eggshell-tiptoeing and validation.
You can live your life however you want, it doesn't bother me (as long as you don't e.g. expect my taxpayer money to pay for your lung cancer healthcare), I don't even think about what you'll think when you get lung cancer (though I do know the statistics on smoking deaths and other health problems and it's insane). But likewise I'm also welcome to hold and assert different values.
If I do it quite often, then yes, I'd welcome such bashing and agree that I'll "deserve" it, because junk food really is bad for you, not exercising all day (for long periods) really is bad for you, and so on. I eat takeout in moderation only (e.g. two or three times a month), I exercise regularly, and seldom drink. And I DO feel a huge amount better and fitter and healthier than when I used to never exercise and ate takeout almost every day. Everything in life (from work to sex life) is just so much more enjoyable when you're fit/healthy.
Why should I not welcome bashing if the advice under that bashing would be to my own benefit?