Why WhatsApp must be regulated in SA

Even the term "Over The Top" is a meaningless invention. It is double-speak introduced by operators to describe any software on the internet which they feel has hurt their feelings.

My suggestion is that everybody refer to the OSI 7-layer model. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model. Layer 1 to 3 is the network, layer 4 to 7 is the applications on top of it. OTT as defined by the operators is a meaningless term because they make an arbitrary vertical slice through layers 4 to 7. Arguably "OTT" means everything on layer 4 to 7 but that would entail that the operators declare their dominion over all of the internet which is obviously crazy to everybody.

The debate about regulating WhatsApp in South Africa was rekindled when Nyati took issue with the fact that the service was extracting benefit out of an industry without investing a cent.

This is double-speak. The mobile network customer chooses to use general internet protocol (IP) applications. The client request general IP services and pays for the general IP services from the network. Whatsapp provides applications services which is exposed over IP which the customer consumes. Whatsapp has no interest in the physical network on the client side because that has nothing to do with Whatsapp --- it is something the client pays for. Whatsapp is responsible for their own physical infrastructure until the point of interconnection. That is how the internet works. The operators cannot selectively lay claim to Whatsapp but not to this forum (both IP services) because that contradicts what service they offer ("internet service"). But they don't lay any claims around forum messaging only Whatsapp and to make sure it does not sound absurd (which it is) they use a made up term (Over The Top) to try and somehow semantically differentiate Whatsapp from other internet services (like online forums). But note the customer pays for the IP service and that is where the investment must come from. The customers, in general, don't even pay whatsapp. If networks need more money to build networks then they need to charge the customer more for general IP services - but they can't because of competition. So "Over The Top" is really just a way for networks to try and dodge head-to-head fair competition with other network operators.

If an OTT service like WhatsApp offers communications services, it must comply with laws like RICA.

RICA requires operators to have systems in place that let the government intercept communications on their networks, provided an interception order is presented to the network.

This only makes sense by abusing the semantics offered by double-speak. The mobile network remains the operators (layer 1 to 3) and they must provide the interception capability. Asking that IP applications (layer 4 to 7) implement interception capability is ridiculous - you cannot expect every application, every web-site, every web-service, every IP service to implement interception capability. That is like saying if you connect a printer to a router to the internet that you must also implement specific RICA interception capabilities at home! No - it is the ISP's responsibility!
 
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Piss off dinosaurs.

We pay for the data, how we use it has nothing to do with you.

Innovate, don't regulate.

It has to do with the way the government behaves .Legally scam or regulated scam? At the end of the financial year they always show a profit and claim through the year for increases in tariffs without providing improvement in service.
 
It has to do with the way the government behaves .Legally scam or regulated scam? At the end of the financial year they always show a profit and claim through the year for increases in tariffs without providing improvement in service.

MTN and Vodacom are not the government.
 
Shocking.
How do these stupid people get hired to these super high paying positions?
They don't even realise that in the MTN / Voda Utopia they're asking for, as soon as Whatsapp gets regulated, a different IM service will take over.
 
No its no global, it's third world.
Africa, India, Italy.

Washout countries.

What is the stance regarding this in the US, UK and DE?

You just called Italy third world? One of the richest countries in the world? Riiiiight
 
Shocking.
How do these stupid people get hired to these super high paying positions?
They don't even realise that in the MTN / Voda Utopia they're asking for, as soon as Whatsapp gets regulated, a different IM service will take over.
Their obligation is to their board and shareholders, not you. There are major barriers to entry in this market, which operates as an oligopoly, so don't expect consumer benefit decisions to form part of the overriding strategy. Consumer benefit is ancillary...
 
You just called Italy third world? One of the richest countries in the world? Riiiiight

Nationsonline.org please sir go prove me wrong

Nationsonline.org/oneworld/first.shtml
 
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Nationsonline.org please sir go prove me wrong

What on earth is that dodgy site?

Italy is one of the richest countries in the world. If you have some data that says otherwise, produce it. And no, linking to dodgy sites doesn't count. Anything from the World Bank, IMF or other reputable institution will do
 
What on earth is that dodgy site?

Italy is one of the richest countries in the world. If you have some data that says otherwise, produce it. And no, linking to dodgy sites doesn't count. Anything from the World Bank, IMF or other reputable institution will do

Sooo, it's a No.

You can't prove me wrong with actual stats. Cool
 
If Vodacom really cared about this, they would block WhatsApp on their network.

I wonder how far that would get them?
 
That’s the argument put forward by Vodacom CEO Shameel Joosub, MTN SA CEO Mteto Nyati, and CEO of Orange Horizons Sébastien Crozie

This guys is such a fail , almost beats She-male Josubs
 
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If Vodacom really cared about this, they would block WhatsApp on their network.

I wonder how far that would get them?

While they are busy with that they must block Google Services as well, the whole Apps suite. MS, Apple... long and hard list to block.
 
Blah blah blah OTT ...
Blah blah blah taxation ...
Blah blah blah security ...

All I see are three fat cats looking to protect their wealth.
 
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