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WoW is for nubbins
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Actually, those who play FPS's competitively instead of piddling around in the kiddy pool *would* probably react the same way I have, were i to troll their forums. It's not a fault with any single game itself, but how seriously you, as an individual, take it. You probably goof around for an hour or two once or twice a week on TF2 or whatever, amirite? Probably have no kind of meaningful ranking or rating, don't have 40 other people depending on you to be the best you can be, etc. It's all just casual lulz for you. And it's much the same for a lot of people who play online fps's. As it is for a lot of people who play WoW. Most WoW players, in fact. But some of us actually have responsibilities and goals in our gaming, and is the reason why some of us play games in the first place, regardless of which specific one.
To the trolls harassing the wow community:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5327497459334792260&q=epix
NOTE: its a 1hr vid... it might use some of your precious fps cap /careface
To quote Kungen, "Take your crazed conspiracy theories elsewhere"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5327497459334792260&q=epix
NOTE: its a 1hr vid... it might use some of your precious fps cap /careface
To quote Kungen, "Take your crazed conspiracy theories elsewhere"
diabolus
Executive Member
WoW "leveling" , in other words going from lvl 1 - 70 is for the most part a mind-numbing no brainer . It's easy and as was said by the OP, spamming a certain set of skills/spells. Any 12yr old and his mom can do it. It's human vs. computer , you can't compare this part of WoW with a human vs. human game.
However that's just the start of the game [to get to 70] . Basically it's like having to level a character to START playing TF2/BF/COD etc .
Once you hit 70, it's raiding [10-man, 25-man, 40-man] . Just getting the group together
is pretty hard, getting the RIGHT group together even harder, knowing what to do in that group incredibly tough . This includes knowing when to move where, when to heal who, when to attack what...and how to do all that taking into account limited resources [mana etc ] and limited time.
Then you also get the Arenas and Battlegrounds, which is equivalent of Unreal Tournament like play [2v2, 3v3, 5v5, CTF, Hold-the-Node etc] . This essentially only start at lvl 70 too [even though you can do it earlier, but you'd want a full character with maxed skills/spells because that's where it matters] That's human vs human and you can only compare this aspect of WoW with games like TF2/Battlefield/Cod ....as this is where the complexity of human players comes in and you can't just click-spam something....
However it must be noted WoW imho was never a PvP [human vs. human] game to begin with, this "feature" was added to compete with other games [such as GuildWars] and basically catering for more types of people. I don't think Blizzard has done a good job with it even though it's there, and they can do alot better........but it's there.
However that's just the start of the game [to get to 70] . Basically it's like having to level a character to START playing TF2/BF/COD etc .
Once you hit 70, it's raiding [10-man, 25-man, 40-man] . Just getting the group together
is pretty hard, getting the RIGHT group together even harder, knowing what to do in that group incredibly tough . This includes knowing when to move where, when to heal who, when to attack what...and how to do all that taking into account limited resources [mana etc ] and limited time.
Then you also get the Arenas and Battlegrounds, which is equivalent of Unreal Tournament like play [2v2, 3v3, 5v5, CTF, Hold-the-Node etc] . This essentially only start at lvl 70 too [even though you can do it earlier, but you'd want a full character with maxed skills/spells because that's where it matters] That's human vs human and you can only compare this aspect of WoW with games like TF2/Battlefield/Cod ....as this is where the complexity of human players comes in and you can't just click-spam something....
However it must be noted WoW imho was never a PvP [human vs. human] game to begin with, this "feature" was added to compete with other games [such as GuildWars] and basically catering for more types of people. I don't think Blizzard has done a good job with it even though it's there, and they can do alot better........but it's there.
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Arena, in particular, is the greatest test of individual skill I've played in any game, ever. And I used to LAN Quake1, 2 3, CS , Starcraft, WC3, UT2004, Battlefield1942 and more competitively.
Just as an example, as a resto shaman in 2v2 i have to react within 1 to 2 seconds on an enemy caster casting a spell and hit an interrupt in time, while managing 3 or 4 cooldowns, purging buffs from the opponents, dropping any one of 20 different totems to deal with enemy spells/abilities AND heal both myself and my rogue partner. On top of all this I have to maintain los on my partner while trying to keep myself out of los of my opponents *and* kite melee at the same time. If i manage all of this we *might* just go 1500 or 1600 for the week. And that's just 2v2. We're not even talking about 3v3 or 5v5.
The amount of micromanagement and multitasking and flat out skill required in ranked WoW PVP is, simply speaking, *insane*.
Just as an example, as a resto shaman in 2v2 i have to react within 1 to 2 seconds on an enemy caster casting a spell and hit an interrupt in time, while managing 3 or 4 cooldowns, purging buffs from the opponents, dropping any one of 20 different totems to deal with enemy spells/abilities AND heal both myself and my rogue partner. On top of all this I have to maintain los on my partner while trying to keep myself out of los of my opponents *and* kite melee at the same time. If i manage all of this we *might* just go 1500 or 1600 for the week. And that's just 2v2. We're not even talking about 3v3 or 5v5.
The amount of micromanagement and multitasking and flat out skill required in ranked WoW PVP is, simply speaking, *insane*.
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Pornolio
Expert Member
I am with Khayne on this... anyone that says WoW doesnt require skill... is a troll and he is feeding of your anger. DONT feed the troll.
The amazing thing about WoW, and thats what made starcraft so powerfull in its day, for every move from your opponent, there is a counter move, how quickly and effectively your respond will determine if you win or loose.
Blizzard has always been amazing at this in games. Hence all their titles are so addictive and rewarding to play.
I dont believe for one second that the OP raided end game content pre TBC, as the end game instances pre TBC were MUCH harder than today's end game content. Please really, if you havent killed Cthun or run Naxx, dont make stupid comments. Strat + scholo does not qualify for end game content though hehehe
Anyone that has done Cthun / Vashj knows just how important team work is.
There simply is just no room for error. Yea I know the game gets pretty involving, and people like myself + Khayne does take it very seriously. But if its in your nature to excell and be competitive it does make it worse.
WoW IS a time killer, no arguing about it. But I still like it.
The amazing thing about WoW, and thats what made starcraft so powerfull in its day, for every move from your opponent, there is a counter move, how quickly and effectively your respond will determine if you win or loose.
Blizzard has always been amazing at this in games. Hence all their titles are so addictive and rewarding to play.
I dont believe for one second that the OP raided end game content pre TBC, as the end game instances pre TBC were MUCH harder than today's end game content. Please really, if you havent killed Cthun or run Naxx, dont make stupid comments. Strat + scholo does not qualify for end game content though hehehe
Anyone that has done Cthun / Vashj knows just how important team work is.
There simply is just no room for error. Yea I know the game gets pretty involving, and people like myself + Khayne does take it very seriously. But if its in your nature to excell and be competitive it does make it worse.
WoW IS a time killer, no arguing about it. But I still like it.
Time permitting, I play TF2 1-2 hours a day. I would consider myself to be a fairly good player, and certainly not a "casual" gamer.
The notion of "meaningful rankings or ratings" in a video game is something that's open to debate. How meaningful can a game be? When some other MMO comes out that's better than WoW and all the guilds start to disband and the server pops drop off hectically, what have you achieved? I know from my experience with WoW, all that I achieved in a year was alienating myself from my friends and family (I'm seeing this too with my g/f - our relationship of 5 yearshas been taking strain because she devotes almost all of her spare time to WoW).
Talking about responsibilities and goals WRT a game is, again, part of the problem I have with WoW. Personally, I think that the only time that one should have responsibilities to a game is if he/she is a sponsored professional who has the reputation of his/her sponsors at stake and/or who makes a living from gaming.
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I am with Khayne on this... anyone that says WoW doesnt require skill... is a troll and he is feeding of your anger. DONT feed the troll.
The amazing thing about WoW, and thats what made starcraft so powerfull in its day, for every move from your opponent, there is a counter move, how quickly and effectively your respond will determine if you win or loose.
Blizzard has always been amazing at this in games. Hence all their titles are so addictive and rewarding to play.
I dont believe for one second that the OP raided end game content pre TBC, as the end game instances pre TBC were MUCH harder than today's end game content. Please really, if you havent killed Cthun or run Naxx, dont make stupid comments. Strat + scholo does not qualify for end game content though hehehe
Anyone that has done Cthun / Vashj knows just how important team work is.
There simply is just no room for error. Yea I know the game gets pretty involving, and people like myself + Khayne does take it very seriously. But if its in your nature to excell and be competitive it does make it worse.
WoW IS a time killer, no arguing about it. But I still like it.
I played on US servers so raiding times were awkward for me. I have, however, done MC, Onyxia and ZG. So no, I wasn't a "WoW pro" but I'm also not lying about having done end game content.
Pornolio
Expert Member
Ahh ok.. that explains a lot then.
MC was back in the days seen as the entry level to end game raiding. (tier1)
Sad to say, but you only experienced a fraction of what the game had to offer. BWL, AQ40, Naxx was amazing. MC was just tooooo long and stretched out for the level of gear in there. You must have had nasty raiding hours playing on the US servers.
Lotta US guys are migrating over slowly but surely to EU.
MC was back in the days seen as the entry level to end game raiding. (tier1)
Sad to say, but you only experienced a fraction of what the game had to offer. BWL, AQ40, Naxx was amazing. MC was just tooooo long and stretched out for the level of gear in there. You must have had nasty raiding hours playing on the US servers.
Lotta US guys are migrating over slowly but surely to EU.
Scooby_Doo
Honorary Master
Yeah wow was annoying me when i started raiding as we all had to be there at some time on some date 3-4 times a week and if someone didn't pitch well then, lame.
Just started to turn into work for me, but whats work for me is fun for others.
Yeah, starting a raid at 2am is a real downer.
Cool, level heads prevail. This is far more enjoyable than flaming the carp out of each other, ne?
A few things. I play Wow because I'm an rpg nut. Odds are if you like rpg's, you'll like Wow. Secondly, WoW actually build close relationships if you're in the right guild. Think of it as Facebook with a GUI, in a way. I've made some good acquaintances over the few years I've played. Lastly, even though I will eventually abandon WoW for the next MMO or whatever, what i will have valued during my gametime is memories. Some bad, many good. And also, respect. When someone says, 'wow, great healing/tanking/dps there', it's an ego boost. People play this game because when they succeed, it makes them feel good. Very good. When someone mentions your great gear or your great rating, you get a warm fuzzy feeling, the same as when you headshot 3 guys in a row in CS and someone goes 'whoa!'.
Yes, it's epeen. And yes, it matters. And yes, nothing lasts forever, but you gotta live for the moment and quit worrying about the future while playing a game. You're supposed to be having fun, for whatever reason, and if you aren't, you go do something else.
One piece of advice, if your GF is playing WoW, the best thing you can do is try it out with her. It's far better than alienating the relationship. Within my guild and previous guilds I've seen many WoW Couples, and they always seemed happy. A common interest like that is awesome, I'd be amped about having a gf that enjoyed gaming, even if it was hurting my sex life. Odds are if you try it out with her, that could mend things. For eg, go e-rp in Goldshire Inn for some.. inspiration. Heh.
we have the troll class in wow aswell, its on horde side, you should go check it one day.
Been there... saw that... aint ever going back!
Goldshire Inn, hell the entire goldshire should b a no under 18 zone, the acts witnessed on Ravenholdt EU in Goldshire are enough to make you head for a PVP server asap
Yes, level heads prevail. Civilized discussion is much better than shouting.
Please then bear with me in the spirit of vigorous debate - regarding your points above.
I can get the same feeling of satisfaction (epeen stroke?) from playing TF2 for two hours a day, that you can only get by playing WoW for 6(?) hours a day, grinding rep, raiding religiously and farming to get the best gear, just so that you can be able to be a good tank/healer etc. Seems like an awful lot of work to get the same feeling as three headshots in a row. I guess as long as you're having fun that's the main thing.
WRT WoWing with my g/f - that's not an option. I specifically quit WoW because it became far too much of an obsession to the detriment of my RL. I can't play it again without risking those same things happening again. Besides, if I were to play another MMO, I'd prolly wanna try something I haven't played before.
bahahaha, very entertaining stuff 
well, been playing for 6 months (wow crack junkie) and now i quit. it has become just more of the same, rinse, repeat, give blizzard more money. leveling from 1-70 was fun to an extent, but it was also mostly single player. i feel a slight bit robbed there.
all in all, good experience, but somehow lacking. there is a DEGREE of skill involved, but WoW merely revolves around gear and knowledge about what to do when, and this got to me in the end. i might get the expansion and level again later, but for now, WoW has lost its taste
WoW feels like a second job, but instead of getting paid for it you just burn time and your own money
long, hard work
well, been playing for 6 months (wow crack junkie) and now i quit. it has become just more of the same, rinse, repeat, give blizzard more money. leveling from 1-70 was fun to an extent, but it was also mostly single player. i feel a slight bit robbed there.
all in all, good experience, but somehow lacking. there is a DEGREE of skill involved, but WoW merely revolves around gear and knowledge about what to do when, and this got to me in the end. i might get the expansion and level again later, but for now, WoW has lost its taste
WoW feels like a second job, but instead of getting paid for it you just burn time and your own money
long, hard workNot much to say, I understand your point emphatically (I came close to quitting, too, for much the same reasons).
However, one thing to note is that post BC WoW is a slightly different animal. A lot has been done to incorporate the casual. You used to *have* to raid if you wanted to get gear to pvp in, but now you simply rack up some arena points by playing 10 games a week per bracket- thats at most 1 or 2 hours an entire week - and over time the gear will come, and you'll get better, get better ratings and so on. If pvp aint your bag, running heroics for 'badges' can net you some solid gear. Running short of gold? Daily quests can net you about 100g or more from an hour or two. Even levelling is easier, with about 40 to 50% more xp on average being granted from questing and mobs combined from level 20 to 60. People level to 70 in anywhere between 1 to 3 weeks nowdays, if they focus.
Blizzard have gone a *long* way to incorporating the casual player, and it's why the numbers have increased so drastically since the expansion. Pre BC there was a huge gap between casual and hardcore. That gap has since shrunk drastically.
Even the endgame raids, while still hard, have been designed around less trash and more complex/harder bosses.
And virtually all 5man instances are 'winged', and much shorter than the epic snorefests of Scholo, Strat, BRD and the like.
Lastly, moving to EU from US makes all the difference, you can actually *get groups* outside of being in an SA guild, and the ping is far, far better.
Not trying to 'sell' the game to you, don't get the wrong impression, just clarifying that things have changed a lot since the days where farming MC for hours every night was the only option you had. Yes the recipe for 'addiction' into end-game raiding is still there, if you want to explore it, but if you want to enjoy the casual side of the game without being gimp, these days you can.
However, one thing to note is that post BC WoW is a slightly different animal. A lot has been done to incorporate the casual. You used to *have* to raid if you wanted to get gear to pvp in, but now you simply rack up some arena points by playing 10 games a week per bracket- thats at most 1 or 2 hours an entire week - and over time the gear will come, and you'll get better, get better ratings and so on. If pvp aint your bag, running heroics for 'badges' can net you some solid gear. Running short of gold? Daily quests can net you about 100g or more from an hour or two. Even levelling is easier, with about 40 to 50% more xp on average being granted from questing and mobs combined from level 20 to 60. People level to 70 in anywhere between 1 to 3 weeks nowdays, if they focus.
Blizzard have gone a *long* way to incorporating the casual player, and it's why the numbers have increased so drastically since the expansion. Pre BC there was a huge gap between casual and hardcore. That gap has since shrunk drastically.
Even the endgame raids, while still hard, have been designed around less trash and more complex/harder bosses.
And virtually all 5man instances are 'winged', and much shorter than the epic snorefests of Scholo, Strat, BRD and the like.
Lastly, moving to EU from US makes all the difference, you can actually *get groups* outside of being in an SA guild, and the ping is far, far better.
Not trying to 'sell' the game to you, don't get the wrong impression, just clarifying that things have changed a lot since the days where farming MC for hours every night was the only option you had. Yes the recipe for 'addiction' into end-game raiding is still there, if you want to explore it, but if you want to enjoy the casual side of the game without being gimp, these days you can.
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Barfish88
Expert Member
heres my 2c, if you like wow then play it, if you dont well good for you (here's your noddy badge). I personally play wow, css & tfc2. They all get boring at some point. Why dont you join again and you and your woman roll toons together.