Wow, Marvel really destroyed the MCU in record time

Marvel should have kept the popular heroes that people were interested in and introduce these new characters in those movies. They could have then judged if these characters had enough interest for a Marvels movie based on their reception in those other movies. The Wakanda movies are going to go the same way as The Marvels if they don't get a new Black Panther.
 
It really doesn't matter who they kill off, because they can reboot with new actors. That's pretty much necessary eventually anyway since you can't have geriatrics running around posturing, throwing around witty dialogue and trying to beat each other to death with their hearing aids and walkers. The idea of making a few films with a particular actor and then moving on is a good one. It doesn't always work out, but it is an opportunity to present an entirely new take on the same superhero.

The whole woke thing is a ridiculous red herring. Whether something succeeds or fails has nothing at all to do with whether someone deems it woke. One of their problems is that superhero films have become commonplace. Another is that you can't just make fights longer and longer or simply try to throw in more special effects to outdo your previous films. You have to get clever and they're mostly not doing that. Films like Ant-Man worked for me because of the way they incorporated humour and due to their well-constructed fight sequences. By the third film they'd almost entirely abandoned the humour and creative fights.

These problems have been building for a long time. The money guys want safe bets. They want to spend a couple of hundred million and feel sure they're going to get a billion back.

RedViking said:
The Dark Night trilogy was pretty damn good.
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I could watch The Dark Knight anytime, but not the other two. The third one starts really well, but degenerates. Batman Begins isn't terrible, but I wouldn't look for an opportunity to watch it. I have seen all of them at least three times, since I went back and rewatched the ones I rated lower as well to see if I'd change my mind.

RedViking said:
I enjoyed Iron Man 123 and Spiderman 123. The first Guardians of the Galaxy was awesome, the rest were dumb. The first AntMan was cool even though some characters were a bit cringe, although it feels on purpose. First Captain America was cool. First Thor was cool. Last Thor was junk. The rest of the MCU was mostly meh.
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Which Spider-Man 1, 2 and 3? They have successfully rebooted Spider-Man multiple times. Although I suppose the middle reboot only had two films.
 
I see onf othe Marvel's What If...? Season 2 episodes deals with the zombies again which is awesome...except it involves Ms Marvel at the center of trying to sort it out.
Now, if you have read the comics, she's not even mentioned...but here they are setting her up as the heroine of the story.
 
dualmeister said:
www.hollywoodreporter.com

Jodie Foster Says Superhero Movies Are a “Phase That’s Lasted a Little Too Long”

The actress also added that she hopes people will be sick of the phase soon.
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That's a stupid thing to say.

Superhero movies are pretty well a new genre like comedies, sci-fi, adventure, etc.
If you don't like it don't watch it. The "I don't like it so it must go" attitude is juvenile and selfish.

If they make good superhero movies people will watch them, it's that simple, despite the proclivities of old fogies like Foster.
With CGI where it is at today, superhero movies are going nowhere unless studios and writers lean more and more woke and so toward bad writing.
 
It was crap after iron Man 1 when every hero under the sun has to have their 5 minute part in every single Marvel movie. I'm surprised it took so long for people to get over the crap Marvel churned out.
 
saor said:
I also can't stand their constant need for continuity and correlation between all the movies. Just give me 3 Thor movies then get a new actor and tell new Thor movies in a new style. As it is everything just feels the same after a while, cut from the same cookie cutter.
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That's part of the mass production methodology. Many people love a Tretchikov.
 
I have enjoyed all of them personally. Some more then others but none that I have totally disliked.
 
Jet-Fighter7700 said:
last MCU movie was pure trash , the singing planet, really, thats what they came up with?
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It's based on a comic...not real life. Use your imagination. Also don't watch them if you don't like them. They don't need your single ticket cash :p
 
OutlawJoseyWales said:
That's a stupid thing to say.

Superhero movies are pretty well a new genre like comedies, sci-fi, adventure, etc.
If you don't like it don't watch it. The "I don't like it so it must go" attitude is juvenile and selfish.

If they make good superhero movies people will watch them, it's that simple, despite the proclivities of old fogies like Foster.
With CGI where it is at today, superhero movies are going nowhere unless studios and writers lean more and more woke and so toward bad writing.
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You are incorrect.
Every generation of films have their top "decade" genre of film.
Westerns, Rom Coms, R Rated Rom coms, Sci-fi, End of world genre, comedies, fantasy, car films, spy films, buddy cop, one man vs all the bad guys, Kung Fu, etc. Have you seen any of these types lately??????

Superhero genre did last longer than the norm, so now it is prime time for a new genre to take its place.

Either proper Anime adaptions, Toys to film adaptions or Videogame adaptions, one of these 3 are gonna be the next BIG push.
 
Felixbf1980 said:
You are incorrect.
Every generation of films have their top "decade" genre of film.
Westerns, Rom Coms, R Rated Rom coms, Sci-fi, End of world genre, comedies, fantasy, car films, spy films, buddy cop, one man vs all the bad guys, Kung Fu, etc. Have you seen any of these types lately??????

Superhero genre did last longer than the norm, so now it is prime time for a new genre to take its place.
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The genre didn't stagnate due to lack of interest, but rather a significant drop in quality. Blame bad writers or corps wanting to milk it by churning out more.
This goes for both film and series by the way.
The claim that it is audience fatigue is just the cope studios push out.

Felixbf1980 said:
Either proper Anime adaptions, Toys to film adaptions or Videogame adaptions, one of these 3 are gonna be the next BIG push.
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Wouldn't mind this, but just a pity Hollywood can't seem to do any adaption correctly.
One Piece was a pleasant notable exception despite its flaws.
 
Kieppie said:
The genre didn't stagnate due to lack of interest, but rather a significant drop in quality. Blame bad writers or corps wanting to milk it by churning out more.
This goes for both film and series by the way.
The claim that it is audience fatigue is just the cope studios push out.


Wouldn't mind this, but just a pity Hollywood can't seem to do any adaption correctly.
One Piece was a pleasant notable exception despite its flaws.
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Audience fatigue is a fact.

The 2000s was all about fantasy/high fantasy (Pirates of the Caribbean, Harry Potter, LOTR, Chronicles of Narnia). Then in the late 00s-10s we had the vampire craze (True Blood, Twilight, Vampire Diaries) and other supernatural stuff. Then came the zombie craze kicked off by The Walking Dead which has now fizzed out.

The Marvel stuff has been going since 2008 and it is very much true that people are starting to burn out on it. Their next phase will take the MCU to nearly two-decades of inter-connected content. The fact that it kept its legs going for so long was impressive, because few fads last this long.
 
Harold_Crick said:
Audience fatigue is a fact.

The 2000s was all about fantasy/high fantasy (Pirates of the Caribbean, Harry Potter, LOTR, Chronicles of Narnia). Then in the late 00s-10s we had the vampire craze (True Blood, Twilight, Vampire Diaries) and other supernatural stuff. Then came the zombie craze kicked off by The Walking Dead which has now fizzed out.

The Marvel stuff has been going since 2008 and it is very much true that people are starting to burn out on it. Their next phase will take the MCU to nearly two-decades of inter-connected content. The fact that it kept its legs going for so long was impressive, because few fads last this long.
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Most of those phases ended because the stories they are based on ended.

As for the MCU, and superhero movies in general, the bad quality is even more of a fact. If something is good people will watch, word of mouth spreads and fomo sets in. Which to an extent is why the interconnected nature of the Marvel movies worked so well.
After End Game quality really took a nose dive, not that there weren't a few duds in those earlier phases.
Now combine this decline in quality with the increase in quantity and that's what caused this "fatigue".
Most audience don't even bother to go watch a new Marvel movie because they know it will be "Meh" at best. At which point apathy starts setting in.
Spider-Man: No Way Home for example was massively successful, proving that people still enjoy these movies if they are good.

There are innumerous YouTube fan channels analysing and chronicling this decline for the various IPs, for those who bothered following it over the years.
It's completely different from getting bored of the same thing as if you're eating lasagna every night.

Take a look at the comic book industry these movies are based on. They have been popular for many decades, but a decline in quality a decade or so ago is what really gutted the industry. They became a shell of their former self and readily lose out to Manga.
Now we're seeing a resurgence of independent comics precisely because people got fed up with the crap marvel etc were pumping out.

Saying this is mostly due to audience fatigue is just a sad attempt to excuse the failures of the various film studios which is the root cause. I'm sure they are thankful to all the outlets that promulgated this message for them...
However that point is now moot I suppose. It will take years of concerted effort to try and turn this around.

This isn't just the case for the MCU, but the multitude of other beloved IPs that have been gutted due to lack of quality/Bad writing (Star Wars, Star-Trek, Marvel, Dr. Who, etc.) over the years.
 
Kieppie said:
Most of those phases ended because the stories they are based on ended.
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No, it was industry trends. All sorts of vampire content came out, I merely pointed out the big IPs that were at the centre of it. Just because Twilight ran its course doesn't mean everything should stop. But everything did stop because vampires were not hot anymore. It was time for zombies. And now zombies are old news. So we wait for the next trend.

It is also cyclical. Vampires were pretty popular at the start of the 90s with Bram Stoker's Dracula and Interview With The Vampire, then disappeared before Blade and Underworld started getting everyone's interest piqued and then Twilight brought it back in to the mainstream.

Kieppie said:
As for the MCU, and superhero movies in general, the bad quality is even more of a fact. If something is good people will watch, word of mouth spreads and fomo sets in. Which to an extent is why the interconnected nature of the Marvel movies worked so well.
After End Game quality really took a nose dive, not that there weren't a few duds in those earlier phases.
Now combine this decline in quality with the increase in quantity and that's what caused this "fatigue".
Most audience don't even bother to go watch a new Marvel movie because they know it will be "Meh" at best. At which point apathy starts setting in.
Spider-Man: No Way Home for example was massively successful, proving that people still enjoy these movies if they are good.

There are innumerous YouTube fan channels analysing and chronicling this decline for the various IPs, for those who bothered following it over the years.
It's completely different from getting bored of the same thing as if you're eating lasagna every night.

Take a look at the comic book industry these movies are based on. They have been popular for many decades, but a decline in quality a decade or so ago is what really gutted the industry. They became a shell of their former self and readily lose out to Manga.
Now we're seeing a resurgence of independent comics precisely because people got fed up with the crap marvel etc were pumping out.

Saying this is mostly due to audience fatigue is just a sad attempt to excuse the failures of the various film studios which is the root cause. I'm sure they are thankful to all the outlets that promulgated this message for them...
However that point is now moot I suppose. It will take years of concerted effort to try and turn this around.

This isn't just the case for the MCU, but the multitude of other beloved IPs that have been gutted due to lack of quality/Bad writing (Star Wars, Star-Trek, Marvel, Dr. Who, etc.) over the years.
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The comic book industry and the film industry are not the same. Comic book fans are die-hards. The film industry is all about trends. Most of the MCU fanbase are not comic book diehards. Most have probably never even read a comic book. A resurgence in comics doesn't mean appetite for superhero movies will grow again.

The fact that MCU content is now so intertwined means that if you don't watch a movie or series, you can potentially lose context for a reveal in the latest movie. People are jaded by this.
 
Its like it went from "i hope this gonna be good" to "absolutely insanely freaking epic!!" to "what the hell is this junk?"
 
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