Xbox One in trouble.

Swa said:
But ultimately DRM is not the future despite publishers pushing it.
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But it is. Digital media are worthless as products, because they're extremely easy to duplicate. The only way you can rationalise cost being attached to digital media is by providing a service to render such media and yes, DRM is a part of that.
 
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But it is. Digital media are worthless as products, because they're extremely easy to duplicate. The only way you can rationalise cost being attached to digital media is by providing a service to render such media and yes, DRM is a part of that.
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It's been a failure. Such that EA set up their own store and abandoned their online pass. Activations will go the same way. GoG seems pretty successful without DRM.
 
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Swa said:
It's been a failure. Such that EA set up their own store and abandoned their online pass. Activations will go the same way. GoG seems pretty successful without DRM.
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GoG is rendering a valuable service, but not valuable enough to dissuade pirates; there's whole swathe of GoG torrents around. We will see whether they will survive.

Once it becomes easier and easier to stay connected DRM will come in without anyone, but pirates, noticing.
 
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GoG is rendering a valuable service, but not valuable enough to dissuade pirates; there's whole swathe of GoG torrents around. We will see whether they will survive.

Once it becomes easier and easier to stay connected DRM will come in without anyone, but pirates, noticing.
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I think only some piracy is due to a lack of good, paid alternatives. Sometimes, piracy is simply opportunistic - pirating because you can and because its free.

So, DRM may one day close that gap, but when/if it does, the publishers may be in for another rude shock - sales wont increase despite a decrease in piracy. Or perhaps not as much as they would like.

Now, Steam and GoG both do well, and although Steam is a giant in the market, I think both compete in a far more open and competitive market than the market in which the Xbone marketplace will be exist. That means, there will be no incentive for MS to drop prices and have big sales like Steam does. They wont do it - the beancounters will complain too much.
 
Garson007 said:
GoG is rendering a valuable service, but not valuable enough to dissuade pirates; there's whole swathe of GoG torrents around. We will see whether they will survive.

Once it becomes easier and easier to stay connected DRM will come in without anyone, but pirates, noticing.
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There's a whole swathe of torrents but not necessarily GoG torrents. Take a look at the amount of unDRMed torrents. Not exactly minuscule either. There's no incentive to buy DRM restricted titles when every one is available free without DRM. We had the same issue with music. Apple had to drop DRM when services such as Napster started popping up and overtaking them. Game publishers are just reluctant to get the message.
 
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You could in theory rent out Xbox one disks for people for installation purposes. For me if somebody manages to hack the device I'll take that over the ps4.
 
Well it's still a weaker console for $100 extra.

If that's your thing...
 
It's still inferior in terms of hardware, while costing more.

Anyway I'll wait and see how this whole thing plays out. Not going to commit to either until about a year after launch.

I'm glad they reconsidered based on consumer response though. It would suck to have a market with no competition.
 
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There's apparently "more madness to come".

Drop the compulsory kinect and sell it cheaper than the ps4, and I might consider one.
 
Me thinks this is now going to be left up to individual publishers like on PS4. It was supposed to be an opt-out system but now it's opt-in.
 
Thank you M$!

I called this and I still think it was a publisher thing.

The spec thing is nothing but that and we've seen how those theories have played out so yeah whatever...chances are I'll go with the Xbox.

Got the 360 on launch but opted for the PS3(which I now own) later on. To tell you the truth I still prefer the X, don't ask me why or why I switched. I think the controller has a lot to do with it, the DS3 is one thing I could never get used to.
 
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