It's a common argument made by sheeple. They despise you for having the intelligence and strength of character to make your own decision which is contrary to popular belief. Just because it's new doesn't automatically make it better...
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It's a common argument made by sheeple. They despise you for having the intelligence and strength of character to make your own decision which is contrary to popular belief. Just because it's new doesn't automatically make it better...
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Bona Botse
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First, thanks rpm for re-opening the thread so I can throw in my 2c 
Second, this all looks too familiar. When the X360 and PS3 started, the Sony fans all predicted that the PS3 would annihilate the X360 due to the latter's lack of Blu-Ray and superior Cell architecture. Then the multi-platform games came out and in most cases the Sony fans were left eating humble pie. This will be very interesting to watch again.
Second, this all looks too familiar. When the X360 and PS3 started, the Sony fans all predicted that the PS3 would annihilate the X360 due to the latter's lack of Blu-Ray and superior Cell architecture. Then the multi-platform games came out and in most cases the Sony fans were left eating humble pie. This will be very interesting to watch again.
Arthur
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As Paul Thurrott - an avid gamer - points out, most people are not getting the incremental reveal strategy. This is normal when there's a big gap between first reveal and final release. Most of the sexy game-specific stuff on Xbox One has not been revealed. That comes later. This way MSFT keep Xbox in the news for longer, without giving away too much to the competition. Relax. By the time it ships, you'll be salivating.
Unfortunately, first impressions count. Right now, PS4 is in the lead, and thats a problem for MS.
MS will have to convince consumers that either A) they do not lose out on an game playing ability by buying what is undoubtedly the less powerful console, or B) that the Kinect and TV integration is worth the lower power.
Way69
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I disagree, all publicity is good publicity.
One could argue that Sony needs to convince the public that having bigger better hardware on their consoles equates to massively better looking games. They couldn't manage that with the ps3...
If Sony does not deliver better looking games than the xbox then the value proposition swings in the xbox's favor.
(Trying to be careful here as there seems to be a very fine line when it comes to stepping off topic)
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Microsoft throwing money around like crazy so that no third party multiplatform games are shown at E3, even if that multiplatform game exists. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=61427629&postcount=342
That is an old saying, but I dont think its true. Consumers are aware of the Xbox, but they dont want to buy it.
The PS3 wasnt massively better in any case, which is why multiplatform games often looked worse on it. It had a slower GPU, stranger memory configuration, and a CPU that took a Master's degree to get it to perform better than a NES.
I think Sony will be pushing big time to make sure that the difference is visible. They might also showcase how much more friendly they are to indie game developers, and how their platform is more open and inclusive. Making a stronger statement on used games could probably seal the deal for them.
Way69
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Microsoft has always been quick to rectify their mistakes, so if they have made a strategic mistake which can be rectified. You can expect to see them thinking on their feet...
Will be interesting to see how it all pans out.
Apparently they are throwing money at the problem.
They are by no means down and out, but I think they are starting at the back this time, whereas I think they were a little in front last generation.
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=61595313&postcount=3874
So we heard back from our semi-conductor sources overnight.
They all said the same thing, can't say specific to a single product, but anything that complex and large is bound to have yield issues. The last time one of them had a similar product to fabricate yields were below 30%.
Just to put this into perspective for people, I did a little quick calculation. (If anybody sees any glaring errors lemme know)
I tried to do a little measurement in photosho of what I thought the boundaries of the die under the spreader looked to be, and coated the results to some GPUs die sizes. I'm estimating this as though the APU is 20.5mmx20.5mm. I'm also assuming they're using a 300mm wafer.
With a kinda average setup, (4mm edge of exclusion, .08mm clearance all
around) you would get 133 chips at 100%. Let's say "less than 30%" is 29%.
If MS is paying $5000 a wafer, that's just over $130 per APU.
Ouch.
So we heard back from our semi-conductor sources overnight.
They all said the same thing, can't say specific to a single product, but anything that complex and large is bound to have yield issues. The last time one of them had a similar product to fabricate yields were below 30%.
Just to put this into perspective for people, I did a little quick calculation. (If anybody sees any glaring errors lemme know)
I tried to do a little measurement in photosho of what I thought the boundaries of the die under the spreader looked to be, and coated the results to some GPUs die sizes. I'm estimating this as though the APU is 20.5mmx20.5mm. I'm also assuming they're using a 300mm wafer.
With a kinda average setup, (4mm edge of exclusion, .08mm clearance all
around) you would get 133 chips at 100%. Let's say "less than 30%" is 29%.
If MS is paying $5000 a wafer, that's just over $130 per APU.
Ouch.
Maverick Jester
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Wake up sonny boy! Have you seen the review scores for "The last of us"? Have you ever played uncharted and that's just two games mentioned.
They say "once a fanny boy always a fanny boy".
So far all we saw from Microsoft re the new generation was huge failures. They lost touch with reality and real gamer's and it seems they cannot compete anymore.
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which is how exactly? The PS3 pulled ahead of XBOX360 sales in January of this year, and then in February the XBOX reclaimed its position in front from a global sales perspective. They seem to be pretty neck-and-neck, despite the XBOX having around a year of additional time on the market.
For the record I own both a PS3 and an XBOX360, and I prefer my PS3 for reasons I've already mentioned elsewhere such as:
- free online multiplayer
- not having to pay, in order to pay, for Netflix (I just pay for netflix and watch it)
- greater file format support on the PS3 (e.g. mkv files? 360 says no, PS4 has no issues with it)
As it stands right now, the PS4 is appealing to me more than the XBOX One, and while the last generation of console battles may have been interesting, the next battle is an entirely new one. It's also worth noting that the PS2 sales figures smash those of the PS3 and XBOX (being currently more than double the combined totals of each)
But really, I would be surprised if Sony didnt have something similair in mind for second hand games. Because they haven't officially said anything in that regard (I dont think?) people aren't fuming at them in that area. They have publicly stated support for Indie Developers as well. I dont know - in terms of marketing I also just feel like Sony are doing a better job. I'm really excited to learn more about the PS4. What I know currently about the XBone has turned me off.
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More expensive, weaker, and region locked, my my, what a killer.
Maverick Jester
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Perhaps a silly question, but why can Microsoft not take a knock on the Xbox One prices as they did with the original Xbox, at least initially?
They can but it might never pay off. The problem is that the entire games division has actually never made a profit, as far as I understand it. So I think the execs at MS and Sony want consoles that are profitable to begin with.
However, they might have to, to stand a chance.
Maverick Jester
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Sony have always taken knocks on their console prices, in fact, the Wii was the console that kickstarted the "hardware profitability" idea. But it seems that this time, they may be both profitable and the stronger console from the off. And yeah, I forgot that the Xbox division as a whole have not yet made profit. So not even the cost of games and Live subscriptions have made up the costs...
I think so too. All this negative press, this early on, puts a lot of pressure on them to come up with an absolute winner from the off. I don't see that happening, and it sort of explains the broader marketing of the Xbox One.