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Here's the problem with newsgroups :

1) It was not designed to distribute binary files - it was for text in a time before HTTP and forums.
2) To work around this limitation all binary data is encoded to 7bit text streams which results in a bloat factor 1.3333333 so if you have a 1GB file that becomes 1.333333GB of traffic you are pulling (overhead).
3) Because newsgroups was made for text a message (or post) would typically be limited to a length of 64kb~384kb so your 1.333333GB bloat file sits in millions of posts on the server (more overhead).
4) Because some posts might not get propagated properly and newsgroups are generally unreliable you need PARs which can add a further 20% bloat (much more overhead).
5) All this bloated traffic goes to one destination (the news server) and this is a big source of congestion on the network (all that overhead!).
6) It is very easy to see what users are downloading from the news group (much easier than on P2P).

So there you have the 6 main problems with news servers. There are many more but it all boils down to the fact that its a really old system that is used beyond its design limitations.
P2P is much more elegant and actually costs the ISPs less!! It uses less traffic (less overhead) and being local does not matter because the ISPs save more on infrastructure.
They do not have to invest in massive storage and throughput for their news server.
 
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And yet on the ground it just plain works best at the moment, twice as fast and stable as torrents generally. Its even more stable than HTTP sometimes, mostly because of par2's and resume support though.
 
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And yet on the ground it just plain works best at the moment, twice as fast and stable as torrents generally.

You need more than twice as fast to compare it with torrents because they are a lot more efficient. From a cost point of view it costs the ISP a lot more two so I enjoy it when they shape the crap out of NNTP.
The most efficient solution for pirating movies and TV series, which is waht P2P and NNTP is used for, would be local FTP servers, but I don't see happening. So P2P it is.
 
Go ahead and try and prove me wrong - you have 6 points to begin with. Should be easy if it really is BS.

I'm not going to waste my time.

Out of interest, can all those who have gotten Piracy warnings using newsgroups as opposed to torrents please raise their hands, as per this:

Your access to the server is logged so it is not only more inefficient like modern day P2P protocols it is also much more dangerous.
 
Thats just because publishers are as stupid as the majority of their costomer-base....they don't even know newsgroups exist.
 
If the one used a steam engine and a wooden gearbox then it would be the same. But both of them design modern cars that are fuel efficient.

NNTP is not suited for binary. P2P, HTTP and FTP are much better.
 
So got a call from Mweb wanting more details and to get my assigned DNS servers. Anyway, what was interesting is he mentioned they had split their network between north and south. Can we have quick poll, is you speed back to normal or still slow and roughly where is your line:

Slow, West Coast
 
If the one used a steam engine and a wooden gearbox then it would be the same. But both of them design modern cars that are fuel efficient.

NNTP is not suited for binary. P2P, HTTP and FTP are much better.

lol well for something it's supposedly not suited for it works pretty damn well. No "oh there are no seeders", "common don't be a leach" nonsense. You see what you want and you get it, that simple. The only reason for NNTP struggling with low speeds are because of shaping protocols, but then again it's not like torrents are all full speed ahead.

Why do people have this urge to throw away thing that work, and work well, just so they can be seen to use the new "in thing".
NNTP works, and works well, end of story.
 
Putting a 1950's V6 carb fed engine into your car might also work, it will no doubt be a little faster than 1300s or 1600s - but its very inefficient.

The only reason NNTP works is because M-web has spent a crap load of money on servers and throughput for it. Newsgroups have a much shorter retention time that torrents so the stuff you moan about that does not have seeders will have been purged from news servers long time ago.

Shape NNTP into oblivion and give P2P more bandwidth.
 
What we do know though is that the function of newsgroups has been replaced by far more effective services like forums and p2p. In reality it’s only a very small number of users who access our news servers and it doesn’t make sense for us to spend more money on an outdated technology, when there is a viable alternative readily available.

The reason why only a small number of users use your news servers is that it sucks so much. Have a look at how much international NNTP traffic you are doing.
 
be fair..

I am happy with MWEB now. I have no any problem about the DL speed.

I can say MWEB improved a lot since last month.

PS: pls keep the same standard (or make it better if you can. ) :)
 
The reason why only a small number of users use your news servers is that it sucks so much. Have a look at how much international NNTP traffic you are doing.

Really? The majority of people I know prefer newsgroups.... we're going on what MWEB says about the usage of their newsgroups - these are the same people that promised change, including newsgroups, after the last upgrade.
 
Newsgroups have a much shorter retention time that torrents so the stuff you moan about that does not have seeders will have been purged from news servers long time ago.

Shape NNTP into oblivion and give P2P more bandwidth.

Finally your real agenda shines through, you dont like NNTP so you promote torrents, all your arguments are hereby declared just fluff.
 
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Putting a 1950's V6 carb fed engine into your car might also work, it will no doubt be a little faster than 1300s or 1600s - but its very inefficient.

The only reason NNTP works is because M-web has spent a crap load of money on servers and throughput for it. Newsgroups have a much shorter retention time that torrents so the stuff you moan about that does not have seeders will have been purged from news servers long time ago.

Shape NNTP into oblivion and give P2P more bandwidth.

I don't really call 800 days low retention. I have never been stumped with "Oh no, I can't find it".
 
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