123NET Fibre

Swa said:
Yes, if your area qualifies. That's the part everyone keeps missing.


And of course it's no use arguing with the Vumatel fanboys. Or what do I say?
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I have never once endorsed Vumatel. All I have said is be more open to competitors besides 123Net.

Again I emphasize that I too have no fibre and would love 123Net, Vumatel, Fibrehoods, Octotel or any other player to roll out in my area.

"Yes, if your area qualifies. That's the part everyone keeps missing."

Maybe the part that you keep missing is that 123Net is not making good on their promises. At least all the other players are making good on their promises, including Vumatel, Telkom, Octotel and Fibrehoods.

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sydCPT said:
I have never once endorsed Vumatel. All I have said is be more open to competitors besides 123Net.

Again I emphasize that I too have no fibre and would love 123Net, Vumatel, Fibrehoods, Octotel or any other player to roll out in my area.

"Yes, if your area qualifies. That's the part everyone keeps missing."

Maybe the part that you keep missing is that 123Net is not making good on their promises. At least all the other players are making good on their promises, including Vumatel, Telkom, Octotel and Fibrehoods.

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I agree, problem with 123 is not the quality of their network, it's with their ridiculous requirements in order to roll out that network. Fine, they may say they need x many people to make it feasible for them but they're just gonna get kicked to the curb by the rest of the providers that have less strict requirements and actually have experience in the SA market.

If 123 don't learn quick, they're gonna disappear just as quick.
 
You people are not being rational.

"problem with 123 is not the quality of their network, it's with their ridiculous requirements in order to roll out that network."
How is 500 commitments a ridiculous requirement for Secunda and Trichardt with 11412 households spread over an area of 199 sq. km? The last I checked Vumatel would require 3804 signups if they are even interested. Octotel requires a commitment of at least half the households in a street. In terms of 123Net with the 33% conversion rate so far that would be 1268 signups.

In one post we read that there's no financial sense in providing internet to Secunda with an existing backhaul infrastructure and in another we read that 123Net's requirements are ridiculous, when they are in fact more reasonable than other providers. Please make up your minds. Some of you are quick to make derogatory comments about my knowledge of the industry yet with all the contradictions floating around none of you have actually shown you have any knowledge of it whatsoever. Or you are all just bashing a company that set out to do something good in the SA market, which would beg the question what's the ulterior motive here?
 
Swa said:
You people are not being rational.

"problem with 123 is not the quality of their network, it's with their ridiculous requirements in order to roll out that network."
How is 500 commitments a ridiculous requirement for Secunda and Trichardt with 11412 households spread over an area of 199 sq. km? The last I checked Vumatel would require 3804 signups if they are even interested. Octotel requires a commitment of at least half the households in a street. In terms of 123Net with the 33% conversion rate so far that would be 1268 signups.

In one post we read that there's no financial sense in providing internet to Secunda with an existing backhaul infrastructure and in another we read that 123Net's requirements are ridiculous, when they are in fact more reasonable than other providers. Please make up your minds. Some of you are quick to make derogatory comments about my knowledge of the industry yet with all the contradictions floating around none of you have actually shown you have any knowledge of it whatsoever. Or you are all just bashing a company that set out to do something good in the SA market, which would beg the question what's the ulterior motive here?
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Point taken.

I don't think there are ulterior motives here at all, we'd all like Secunda to become the poster boy for 123 and put them on the map so that they can expand to other areas. I think what gets people is that they had an initial target which was met and then they simply moved the goalposts and made the target more stringent.

It's similar to what Lightspeed has done to many people here. First they say they need a R10k monthly commitment to connect us to dark fibre, we get that commitment and then all of a sudden it's not enough and the commitment number rises. People take time, effort and money to raise awareness about fibre and get buy in from their neighbor's and community and when they finally reach their goals, provider just shrugs and says, nope not good enough.
 
Swa said:
You people are not being rational.

"problem with 123 is not the quality of their network, it's with their ridiculous requirements in order to roll out that network."
How is 500 commitments a ridiculous requirement for Secunda and Trichardt with 11412 households spread over an area of 199 sq. km? The last I checked Vumatel would require 3804 signups if they are even interested. Octotel requires a commitment of at least half the households in a street. In terms of 123Net with the 33% conversion rate so far that would be 1268 signups.

In one post we read that there's no financial sense in providing internet to Secunda with an existing backhaul infrastructure and in another we read that 123Net's requirements are ridiculous, when they are in fact more reasonable than other providers. Please make up your minds. Some of you are quick to make derogatory comments about my knowledge of the industry yet with all the contradictions floating around none of you have actually shown you have any knowledge of it whatsoever. Or you are all just bashing a company that set out to do something good in the SA market, which would beg the question what's the ulterior motive here?
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"You people are not being rational." - Hahahahahahahahaha

Please, show me where I have contradicted myself.

Anyway, I am done arguing about this. Let me know when 123Net rolls out in Secunda, lol
 
feo said:
Point taken.

I don't think there are ulterior motives here at all, we'd all like Secunda to become the poster boy for 123 and put them on the map so that they can expand to other areas. I think what gets people is that they had an initial target which was met and then they simply moved the goalposts and made the target more stringent.

It's similar to what Lightspeed has done to many people here. First they say they need a R10k monthly commitment to connect us to dark fibre, we get that commitment and then all of a sudden it's not enough and the commitment number rises. People take time, effort and money to raise awareness about fibre and get buy in from their neighbor's and community and when they finally reach their goals, provider just shrugs and says, nope not good enough.
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Well as I said the 300 is a target to investigate. Nowhere do I see anything about it being a guarantee to qualify and the site does say "if your area qualifies..." It was made clear to me on this forum that they will only decide once they've properly investigated.

What happened was miscommunication from many sides. Secunda assumed they qualified without asking what the final requirements were. 123Net assumed 600 signups would bring 500 commitments. If that was stated I would have flat out gave a guarantee of them only getting around 150-200 commitments as they did. But besides that they were still willing to do it with 180 commitments but the investor doesn't want to play ball.

Don't get me wrong here. There are valid criticisms as there are with any company. But that doesn't mean stuff can be made up like some claiming they're not providing a service anywhere when they've been for some time.
 
Swa said:
Don't get me wrong here. There are valid criticisms as there are with any company. But that doesn't mean stuff can be made up like some claiming they're not providing a service anywhere when they've been for some time.
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Like where exactly? I know they operate in the Umhlanga area but I've basically seen just one Speedtest result on 123Networks.

And where is the CEO, they promised a Google Hangouts session with him ages ago and I don't think that's materialized yet.
 
sydCPT said:
"You people are not being rational." - Hahahahahahahahaha

Please, show me where I have contradicted myself.

Anyway, I am done arguing about this. Let me know when 123Net rolls out in Secunda, lol
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I said you people contradict yourselves by each one posting something that doesn't agree with the other. Then you make derogatory remarks without showing that you yourself knows anything.

It's clear that some have an agenda here. Many made false claims like them not providing any service. When it was proven that they do nobody acknowledged this and some just turned to other unreasonable criticisms instead.
 
feo said:
Like where exactly? I know they operate in the Umhlanga area but I've basically seen just one Speedtest result on 123Networks.
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It seems there's an expectation that mybb should be raving about them. When mybb is actually a fraction of the whole ecosystem and most of the customers of any provider are not members on here.
 
Swa said:
It seems there's an expectation that mybb should be raving about them. When mybb is actually a fraction of the whole ecosystem and most of the customers of any provider are not members on here.
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That's true, but it still seems like 123Net is a non-entity so far. I haven't seen a single post from anyone in Gauteng that has a connection from 123. And MyBB is the biggest forum in the country so I would expect at least a few reports from people that have the service.
 
feo said:
I haven't seen a single post from anyone in Gauteng that has a connection from 123.
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This is exactly what is on my mind.
If there are suburbs in gauteng that are getting a service from 123net, please share this.
 
So now the goalpost has shifted from them providing a service to them providing a service in Gauteng. People around here are unbelievable.
 
Swa said:
So now the goalpost has shifted from them providing a service to them providing a service in Gauteng. People around here are unbelievable.
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Well, it's kinda relevant given that the guys asking LIVE in Gauteng. How are we supposed to gauge the credibility of 123Net if there's no evidence of them completing a project outside of Umhlanga.

Have there been ANY suburbs/towns outside of Durban who have met 123Net's requirements for contracts and had a fibre network successfully rolled out?

I personally am not knocking 123 at all, just trying to figure out if they have done anything meaningful in the SA market yet.
 
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feo said:
Well, it's kinda relevant given that the guys asking LIVE in Gauteng. How are we supposed to gauge the credibility of 123Net if there's no evidence of them completing a project outside of Umhlanga.

Have there been ANY suburbs/towns outside of Durban who have met 123Net's requirements for contracts and had a fibre network successfully rolled out?

I personally am not knocking 123 at all, just trying to figure out if they have done anything meaningful in the SA market yet.
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Durban was their initial focus group. There were no signups or commitments. My guess is they burnt through a lot of capital and would have to wait a long time to recoup that so it's understandable they're going to be cautious. I don't see Vumatel which everybody makes such a fuss about displaying an interest in Gauteng outside of the affluent areas.

The odd thing here is a lot of people don't want to sign the contracts till they've rolled out and they can't roll out till people return the contracts. If only people will give them a chance. They don't ask anybody for an upfront commitment so they are still the ones with a lot to lose here.
 
Swa said:
Durban was their initial focus group. There were no signups or commitments. My guess is they burnt through a lot of capital and would have to wait a long time to recoup that so it's understandable they're going to be cautious. I don't see Vumatel which everybody makes such a fuss about displaying an interest in Gauteng outside of the affluent areas.

The odd thing here is a lot of people don't want to sign the contracts till they've rolled out and they can't roll out till people return the contracts. If only people will give them a chance. They don't ask anybody for an upfront commitment so they are still the ones with a lot to lose here.
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What I don't get is why don't they start small and build a reputation? It's much more likely that they will attract positive attention if they can roll out in smaller suburbs. Less cost for them, quick turnaround time and it'll do their CV good.

I think they bit of more than they can chew with Secunda..
 
feo said:
What I don't get is why don't they start small and build a reputation? It's much more likely that they will attract positive attention if they can roll out in smaller suburbs. Less cost for them, quick turnaround time and it'll do their CV good.

I think they bit of more than they can chew with Secunda..
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Agreed... but mybb also broke the news before they even provided a service. I don't think there's any plan to advertise their business till next year.
 
Swa said:
Agreed... but mybb also broke the news before they even provided a service. I don't think there's any plan to advertise their business till next year.
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I hope they can sort out their business model. Maybe they can relax their contract requirements and roll out in smaller areas based on informal signups.
 
Based on their campaigns to prospective customers to register interest and sign contracts, They have now got a load of personal information. Names , email, postal and physical addresses, contact numbers.

I hope this information is protected.
Anything could happen!!!!
 
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