Why dont you copy-and-paste their conclusions as well?
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Rouxenator
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I like people making their own conclusions based on the facts.
I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that they dont share your unilateral condemnation.
justinlawrence
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i was keenly waiting for the new iphone 3g but the dragged out release together with the review on gsmarena.. http://www.gsmarena.com/iphone_3g-review-272p2.php has got me thinking.
i was waiting for this phone, but i think i might move to virgin mobile so as to take a stand against the iphone vodacom exclusivity, being ripped off for SMS and go with Nokia and an open-source Symbian.
chatting to a friend in australia yesterday. he told me that 4 providers are selling the iphone. he also stated that virgin mobile aus has a package where you can get the iphone, together with about 5Gigs of broadband and a whole lot of airtime for about R600 a month!
that's what happens without exclusivity.
so this is me voting against it.
over and out
i was waiting for this phone, but i think i might move to virgin mobile so as to take a stand against the iphone vodacom exclusivity, being ripped off for SMS and go with Nokia and an open-source Symbian.
chatting to a friend in australia yesterday. he told me that 4 providers are selling the iphone. he also stated that virgin mobile aus has a package where you can get the iphone, together with about 5Gigs of broadband and a whole lot of airtime for about R600 a month!
that's what happens without exclusivity.
so this is me voting against it.
over and out
Actually from what I read you cant send apps to the background. Obviously it is a multi-tasking platform, but it doesnt let you run say like an instant messenger in the background whilst resuming normal function of the phone.
Also, I have also read about all those points he mentioned. I believe they are correct.
e.cachucho
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It seems quite obvious now that South Africa is most probably not one of the 20 countries that will be getting the iPhone on the 22nd of August. Only 2 countries are yet to be revealed so there is still a glimmer of hope, but I'm not counting on it. The people at Vodacom are too thickheaded to realise that they should be fighting with all their might to get the iPhone as soon as possible. You would think that with there money grubbing attitude that they would have been more pro-active.
The blame is also on Apple, who have been absolutely stupendously moronic with the release of the iPhone. The fact is they should have had a worldwide release on the 11th of July, but they are too worried about making direct deals with every damn service provider, for what, to make sure they can provide VISUAL VOICEMAIL? its idiotic, the iPhone should be selling like iPod hot-cakes, you should be able to pick one up anywhere if you have the cash.
Instead Apple is still insuring a large online trading world where people are making obscene profits on unlocked phones. Why arent they unlocked in the first place?!!!
Pardon my rant, but I recently had a mini iphone deprivation nervous breakdown.
So here is a message to Steve Jobs:
"Get over the iPhone as G#d and start actually selling them to people who want to buy them!"
and to Vodacom:
"Get off your lardy asses and do some work, iPhones don't land in anyones laps, at this rate Uzbekistan will have the iPhone before we do"
The blame is also on Apple, who have been absolutely stupendously moronic with the release of the iPhone. The fact is they should have had a worldwide release on the 11th of July, but they are too worried about making direct deals with every damn service provider, for what, to make sure they can provide VISUAL VOICEMAIL? its idiotic, the iPhone should be selling like iPod hot-cakes, you should be able to pick one up anywhere if you have the cash.
Instead Apple is still insuring a large online trading world where people are making obscene profits on unlocked phones. Why arent they unlocked in the first place?!!!
Pardon my rant, but I recently had a mini iphone deprivation nervous breakdown.
So here is a message to Steve Jobs:
"Get over the iPhone as G#d and start actually selling them to people who want to buy them!"
and to Vodacom:
"Get off your lardy asses and do some work, iPhones don't land in anyones laps, at this rate Uzbekistan will have the iPhone before we do"
I think they're simply having problems keeping up with demand.
ToxicBunny
Oi! Leave me out of this...
I love people who vent like this... its just amusing
From what I know, most stores are selling out of their share of iPhones very quickly, so obviously production volumes are the issue, which I'm getting Apple are working on (they'd be stupid not to).
As for Vodacom not having it yet, sorry to bruise your ego, but Africa in general is not a big market for people like Apple so we will NOT feature high on their list, but we do feature thankfully and will get the phone eventually.
And a worldwide release? Are you absolutely insane, do you know how difficult that would be logistically and considering the registration systems fell over with their limited launch can you imagine how much more strain they would have been if it had been a large launch, plus of course production volumes would have meant stores would have had MAYBE 1 phone if they were lucky instead of 30 or 40phones...
From what I know, most stores are selling out of their share of iPhones very quickly, so obviously production volumes are the issue, which I'm getting Apple are working on (they'd be stupid not to).
As for Vodacom not having it yet, sorry to bruise your ego, but Africa in general is not a big market for people like Apple so we will NOT feature high on their list, but we do feature thankfully and will get the phone eventually.
And a worldwide release? Are you absolutely insane, do you know how difficult that would be logistically and considering the registration systems fell over with their limited launch can you imagine how much more strain they would have been if it had been a large launch, plus of course production volumes would have meant stores would have had MAYBE 1 phone if they were lucky instead of 30 or 40phones...
vodacom3g
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I've also been following these posts with some amusement but guess, when your reference framework is your Grade-9 classroom, everything is simple.
What I don't get is that the same people will accuse Vodacom of being greedy but then they say Vodacom is suddenly not interested in releasing the most (hysterically) awaited handset for a very long time.
e.cachucho
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Hi, yes I find it ammusing that I am going so crazy waiting for the iPhone, I think apple sends subliminal messages through its products.
I think your assumption might be mislead:
"And a worldwide release? Are you absolutely insane,...."
No, I am not insane.
For the fist two Quaters of 2008, Apple sold 32million ipods.
Apple is planning to sell 10million iphones by the end of this year, that gives them a little less than 2 quarters of the year. Suffice it to say that they should have enought capacity to sell [a bit] more than that.
About the registration systems:
If the 32 million ipods that were sold this year needed to be registered with a service provider, sure it would kill any service providers registration servers, but iPods do not need to be registered, and neither do iPhones (well they do, but they don't have to, you don't register your: nokia, samsung, motorola). Very few phones are locked into a service provider in South Africa, I think the rest of the world should get into that mode. Now if Apple would only realise that they can sell their phones like other cellphone makers do and they would be selling a lot more, tens of millions more.
And finally as for South Africa not being a big enough market for the iPhone, just look at the population of Bolivia; getting the iphone on the 22nd of August:
Bolivia: Population- 9mil , GDP per capita $1420
South Africa: Pop - 47.9mil, GDP per capita $5700
So in conclusion, Apple needs to get out of the old-fashioned (american) way of locking a user into a service provider and should look at the iPhone more as the new generation of the iPod, letting people freely choose their providers. That would be truly ground breaking.
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They started over a year ago with the 1st gen iPhone (which is when they made the claim iirc).
ToxicBunny
Oi! Leave me out of this...
They have the capacity to sell the phones, manufacturing them is a different story.
And it was on launch day the systems fell over, just being launched in the countries it was launched in. Now scale that system to be worldwide, you increase its complexity and make it considerably more unstable.. therefore the problems would have been worse. Part of the reason the iPhone needs to be "registered" is for the App Store, something no other phone has.
Bolivia's cell providers were probably less ummm, adamant about what they wanted from the deal and this is why they're getting it earlier, and possibly Apple have a better presence in the country than they do here, and here they're dealing with a VERY large cellular provider who is not going to bend to Apple's whim like other places might have.
The iPhone will not be locked to Vodacom here, its just that Vodacom have the exclusive rights to distribute it (or will have)...It is illegal to lock a device onto a specific cellular network in this country, and many other countries in the world.
JustGadgets
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Is the iPhone 3G Also put on hold ? Vodacom (pre-order) customers will be very frustrated
We're mobile phone [-]hostages[/-] users in SA - we're used to frustration and disappointment.
e.cachucho
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There has never been a date, so it isn't really possible to put a hold on the iPhone 3G, but I think customers are getting edgy (I know I am).
As for the 10mil phones by the end of the year, Apple had a goal for their old iPhone. The goal of 10 million is from the release of the 3G iPhone, they are well on their way to achieving it.
As for activating the phone, there is still no reason to do so. The app store applications work on a modified form of DRM, which before DRM free music, was the only type of music sold on iTunes. Ipods were never registered or activated in order to make the DRM work. Infact, newly jailbreaked 2.0 phones can still have App store applications on their phones and they are not activated at all. Therefore I still dont buy any reason at all why Apple or the service provider would need to activate any of their phones.
Its a good thing that we cant be locked into a service provider in SA.
I hope they will be selling the iPhone, contract-free some time in the future, perhaps just before 2010
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JustGadgets
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We're mobile phone [-]hostages[/-] users in SA - we're used to frustration and disappointment.
But I don't think some people will get over it this time, It is not a every mobile phone, It is an iPHONE !
Shake&Bake
Party Liaison
If the X1 lands before the iPhone - ppl won't be that excited about it anymore 
ToxicBunny
Oi! Leave me out of this...
Ok, right.. let me get this straight...
You know that VC haven't announced a date at all, but you're getting edgy that the phone is not in your hands already?
Ok, maybe the registration has nothing to do with the App Store, hell I don't know since I don't have an iPhone, but there is a reason for it.... why else would apple spend countless millions on a registration system for no other reason than they think they should?
You know that VC haven't announced a date at all, but you're getting edgy that the phone is not in your hands already?
Ok, maybe the registration has nothing to do with the App Store, hell I don't know since I don't have an iPhone, but there is a reason for it.... why else would apple spend countless millions on a registration system for no other reason than they think they should?
Arthur
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More on iPhone woes:
http://www.overclockers.com/index.p...ate-for-a-sixpack&catid=59:systemsacomponentsOverclockers.com said:
http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2008/08/13/1746659-swedish-magazine-blames-iphone-3g-woes-on-hardwareNewsvine.com said:
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/aug2008/tc20080813_430402.htmBusinessWeek said: