Apple lambastes fragmented Android and outdated Samsung

cerebus said:
I know, I mean the statistic itself. That conversion rate seems exorbitant and I wonder how accurate it is actually. :)

It does look like iPhone growth rate is actually outstripping Android in the US but still not at a 3:1 ratio:
http://techcrunch.com/2013/03/06/ap...-recent-comscore-u-s-smartphone-share-report/
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All that stat means is that their is very little movement between the two, but where there is, it is largely in Apple's favour.
But, it is not that exorbitant if you consider then actual numbers to be relatively low
 
I love when people say that Apple needs to start doing xxx because the competition is getting a lot tougher. They've been saying that since the iPod days of course.
 
Ok, time to be honest. Most Android users including me have been swearing heavily at manufacturers for their pathetic attempt to update. When Android was first released the idea was that it could be upgraded at the drop of a hat and always be on the latest version.

In this sense the manufacturers (not Google) have failed dismally. As a plain old end user I am tired of constantly waiting months for any kind of update (mostly to repair bugs). I am currently on SGS II and there is no date in sight for our Jelly Bean upgrade. The phone's spec's can easily carry it yet it is nowhere to be seen.

The point is that no matter which platform you are on none of platforms are completely stable, some more than others but I have not heard of a single perfectly stable phone in years.

I long for a phone that just works. (and has a battery that lasts for more than a day) with medium to heavy use.
 
Garyvdh said:
Yeah, we're losing the battle to a superior device maker and ecosystem, so let's just bad mouth them and trust that our devoted iSheep will swallow it as usual! :D
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Superior ecosystem? When we start seeing top shelf apps with stellar design like Paper coming onto Android tablets first, or even oftentimes at all, we can talk about superior ecosystems.
 
XRayA4T said:
It is a slight misunderstanding. I wasn't lying. What I was trying to get across is that you can write a single app that works on all versions on Android from 2.2 to 4.2.

When you create an Android app you select Minimum Required SDK e.g. Froyo 2.2 and the Target SDK e.g. Jellybean 4.2. Obviously if your minimum Required SDK does not have the latest Android Feature you need it won't be available in your app. Maybe Map integration won't work or voice control but not every application needs all the latest bells and whistles.

That is not an issue unique to Android. If I want to write a c# application I need to look who the target audience is and build to to support say .net 2.0 rather than .net 4.0. Yes I would have all the functionality of 4.0 but that does not mean the application will be crap.

http://developer.android.com/training/basics/firstapp/creating-project.html
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That results in the below par apps you often see on Android devices. Devs are forced code for the lowest denominator (Which is the awful gingerbread, not the excellent Jelly Bean)
 
cerebus said:
I love when people say that Apple needs to start doing xxx because the competition is getting a lot tougher. They've been saying that since the iPod days of course.
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Yeah, it is very funny. The anti-Apple herd are amusing
 
JStrike said:
That results in the below par apps you often see on Android devices. Devs are forced code for the lowest denominator (Which is the awful gingerbread, not the [-]excellent[/-] improved Jelly Bean)
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da say
 
cerebus said:
I love when people say that Apple needs to start doing xxx because the competition is getting a lot tougher. They've been saying that since the iPod days of course.
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You must have a lot of love then :D
 
JStrike said:
That results in the below par apps you often see on Android devices. Devs are forced code for the lowest denominator (Which is the awful gingerbread, not the excellent Jelly Bean)
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Is Gmail a below par app?

In the past where iPhone apps (mailing the Apple in-house ones) tended to be better than the Android was due to a great and consistent user experience. Google has tried to address this by providing guidelines on good app design.

This does not stop a developer writing a app that looks crap on iPhone or an app that is great on many Android versions.

Anybody can write an app. It takes a great developer (or team of great developers) to write a great app.
 
Lets see...

iOS = No Flash Player, No widgets, No tiff file support, no Divx, DRM, and the list goes on.....

Android all the way thank you....

I have a iPad and Galaxy Tab, Galaxy tab is better in my own opinion...
 
Hummercellc said:
Lets see...

iOS = No Flash Player, No widgets, No tiff file support, no Divx, DRM, and the list goes on.....

Android all the way thank you....

I have a iPad and Galaxy Tab, Galaxy tab is better in my own opinion...
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Must be quite an old Galaxy Tab, flash has been disabled for a while now.
 
JStrike said:
Not a bad post for you :)
While I don't agree that Apple is afraid, I do agree that this was a stupid interview
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They should be,android is their biggest competitor and at this point in time very close and even took over whereas at one point in time Apple had the biggest market share by a big margin.

But yes of course an Apple exec would diss android/samsung just like android /samsung execs do the same to Apple their bias actually makes good business sense.If thats made into news then maybe its a slow news day :p

Fanboys bias on the other hand don't make such sense.They live in their own deluded little worlds.
 
XRayA4T said:
Is Gmail a below par app?

In the past where iPhone apps (mailing the Apple in-house ones) tended to be better than the Android was due to a great and consistent user experience. Google has tried to address this by providing guidelines on good app design.

This does not stop a developer writing a app that looks crap on iPhone or an app that is great on many Android versions.

Anybody can write an app. It takes a great developer (or team of great developers) to write a great app.
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Oh my word.
Just because app quality on Android is of lower quality than on iOS, doesn't mean *all* android apps are low quality. There are some excellent apps for Android.

The effect is on the general dev populace that are forced to target crappy gingerbread rather than the superior jelly bean
 
falcon786 said:
They should be,android is their biggest competitor and at this point in time very close and even took over whereas at one point in time Apple had the biggest market share by a big margin.

But yes of course an Apple exec would diss android/samsung just like android /samsung execs do the same to Apple their bias actually makes good business sense.If thats made into news then maybe its a slow news day :p

Fanboys bias on the other hand don't make such sense.They live in their own deluded little worlds.
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Apple has never had the biggest marketshare. You are confused
 
JStrike said:
Apple has never had the biggest marketshare. You are confused
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If you track the growth of mobile platforms since the iPhone came out and then since Android came out the growth of Android is far, far higher than iPhone overall. There's just no way to deny that. But the area where it really took over was in replacing Symbian, BB, Windows Mobile and Palm. It was brutal, and iOS also contributed a lot to that but really the featurephone got displaced by Android.
 
warchylde said:
In this sense the manufacturers (not Google) have failed dismally. As a plain old end user I am tired of constantly waiting months for any kind of update (mostly to repair bugs). I am currently on SGS II and there is no date in sight for our Jelly Bean upgrade. The phone's spec's can easily carry it yet it is nowhere to be seen.
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This Jelly bean update?
 
JStrike said:
Oh my word.
Just because app quality on Android is of lower quality than on iOS, doesn't mean *all* android apps are low quality. There are some excellent apps for Android.
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But that is exactly what I'm saying. Developers can create great apps.

JStrike said:
The effect is on the general dev populace that are forced to target crappy gingerbread rather than the superior jelly bean
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You are implying that if an app must work on Gingerbread it must be crappy. That is not the case. Gmail looks just as good on 2.3.5 as it does on 4.2.2.

You are an Android developer. What functionality can you not do in your apps on Gingerbread that can only be done in Jellybean?
 
Apple has run out of 'square shape with round corners' arguments apparently.

Simple fact is that more & more people are choosing Android over Apple. Like the fashion accessory it is, the iPhone is just so last season.
 
XRayA4T said:
But that is exactly what I'm saying. Developers can create great apps.



You are implying that if an app must work on Gingerbread it must be crappy. That is not the case. Gmail looks just as good on 2.3.5 as it does on 4.2.2.

You are an Android developer. What functionality can you not do in your apps on Gingerbread that can only be done in Jellybean?
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Every. Single. API added since gingerbread.
And gingerbread was rubbish. Almost all the nice API's you have now, are not available on it.
If you don't know what an API is, it is like a collection of hooks into Android itself, which is needed to do anything and everything. This includes, but it far from limited to, social, calender, transitions, tweens, offscreen rendering to a framebuffer etc. The list is huge
 
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