Article: No white men for SAA cadet program: union

[Flanders]

who cares who they restrict from applying, as long as those applying, pass with the relevant distinction required to be a pilot, and not one watered down in order to pass them.

Race is irrelevant, pass rates are.

Wait, so during apartheid the fact that blacks were denied opportunities wasn't the issue? It was all about the most capable white getting the job? Am I misunderstanding your post?

 

[Mila]

who cares who they restrict from applying, as long as those applying, pass with the relevant distinction required to be a pilot, and not one watered down in order to pass them.

Race is irrelevant, pass rates are.

My thoughts exactly. Which is really the point of AA.

So nothing was wrong with apartheid then?
I mean who cares who they restricted as long as the pass rate is relevant

Hypocrite much?

 

[Garson007]

Derp. When people start comparing AA with Apartheid you know you've spent too much time on the internet.

 

[Flanders]

Derp. When people start comparing AA with Apartheid you know you've spent too much time on the internet.

Derp? Is that the best you've got?

What exactly is different between apartheid and AA with regard to 100% bluntly refusing access to a particular race in the job sphere? Nobody is comparing apartheid on the whole to this situation as I'm sure you are well aware.

 

[Mila]

Derp. When people start comparing AA with Apartheid you know you've spent too much time on the internet.

Oh yes that is the come back after you put your foot in it.
So you say apartheid is a good thing and then compare it to AA.

AA and BEE is two different horses to start with.

Try again, try the usual list of excuses. It was taken out of context..

Sheez. Own up. Derp? Yes that is exactly what you sound like.

 

[Nicodeamus]

Derp. When people start comparing AA with Apartheid you know you've spent too much time on the internet.

translation: lallalaalala I don't care or believe what you say.

Job reservation is the blueprint for AA.

 

[Taranis]

Oh yes that is the come back after you put your foot in it.
So you say apartheid is a good thing and then compare it to AA.

AA and BEE is two different horses to start with.

Try again, try the usual list of excuses. It was taken out of context..

Sheez. Own up. Derp? Yes that is exactly what you sound like.

My argument is if apartheid has gone and we are the same, black, white, and everything else, then why do we need BEE?

 

[SSung]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:South_African_Airways_accidents_and_incidents

Whites - 4
Blacks, Indians, coloureds, Chinese - 0

The truth:

1. "In-flight metal fatigue failure leading to explosive decompression and breakup."

2. "Captain Smith had 4,608 flying hours on the Boeing 707, but only one hour on the new type 334C, which furthermore had been under instruction.[5] The official investigation concluded that the aircraft and its four engines were in working order—primary fault lay with the captain and first officer, in that they "failed to maintain a safe airspeed and altitude and a positive climb by not observing flight instruments during take-off"; no blame was attributed to the third pilot, whose responsibility it was to monitor the radio, and who was unable to monitor the flight instruments from his position in the cockpit.[2] Secondary factors that may have contributed to the accident included:

Loss of situational awareness
The crew had no visual reference in the dark, leading to spatial disorientation.
The crew used a flap retraction sequence from the 707-B series which removed flaps in larger increments than desirable for that stage of the flight, leading to a loss of lift at 600 feet (180 m) above ground level.
Temporary confusion on the part of the pilots when reading the vertical speed indicator, which was different from the A and B series of the aircraft to which they were accustomed.
The drum-type altimeter fitted to the aircraft, was notoriously difficult for pilots to read;[6][7] the pilots may have misread their altitude by 1000 feet.
Flight deck distraction as the result of a bird strike or other minor occurrence.

After investigating this accident as well as a number of others that also involved controlled flight into terrain, the Federal Aviation Administration determined that a ground proximity warning system would have helped to avert some of the accidents. New regulations were therefore introduced from February 1972 requiring all turbojet aircraft to be fitted with the system.[8]"

3. "In-flight fire (cause undetermined and disputed)"

4. "Loss of control, Pilot incapacitation" "[speculation:]the pilot of the plane suffered a heart attack while on approach and the co-pilot was unable to regain control of the aircraft"

 

[Garson007]

What exactly is different between apartheid and AA with regard to 100% bluntly refusing access to a particular race in the job sphere? Nobody is comparing apartheid on the whole to this situation as I'm sure you are well aware.

Do I really need to answer this one? Apartheid was a nationwide policy. SAA, as a single entity, is trying to get black pilots into their training program because they're not currently complying to AA policy. For a public enterprise, this looks really bad. Would SAA refuse to hire a white pilot? Highly unlikely. If they have enough black applicants that can fill all the seats in their training programme on merit - then why would they possibly want to chuck out one of these applicants for someone that doesn't apply to their vision of being a fully compliant company?

 

[marine1]

Derp. When people start comparing AA with Apartheid you know you've spent too much time on the internet.

Then please leave

 

[Mila]

Do I really need to answer this one? Apartheid was a nationwide policy. SAA, as a single entity, is trying to get black pilots into their training program because they're not currently complying to AA policy. For a public enterprise, this looks really bad. Would SAA refuse to hire a white pilot? Highly unlikely. If they have enough black applicants that can fill all the seats in their training programme on merit - then why would they possibly want to chuck out one of these applicants for someone that doesn't apply to their vision of being a fully compliant company?

And Where do you think it started? And it kept on going because people said, ag well its only one company and in the end it was the whole nation.

Your analogy suck. So you are saying that they can say no to white applicants that are the same as the black aplicants because of thier race and it is oke?

Hypocryte much?

 

[Seriously]

Then please leave

His here curtsy of the job and opportunities he gained when the whitey got his arse kicked out of his job so he is vely happy and thus spend all his wolking hours on MyBB justifying his achielvements!

 

[Taranis]

Do I really need to answer this one? Apartheid was a nationwide policy. SAA, as a single entity, is trying to get black pilots into their training program because they're not currently complying to AA policy. For a public enterprise, this looks really bad. Would SAA refuse to hire a white pilot? Highly unlikely. If they have enough black applicants that can fill all the seats in their training programme on merit - then why would they possibly want to chuck out one of these applicants for someone that doesn't apply to their vision of being a fully compliant company?

Not forgetting that they gave highly qualified pilots early retirement too.

 

[Garson007]

And Where do you think it started? And it kept on going because people said, ag well its only one company and in the end it was the whole nation.

Your analogy suck. So you are saying that they can say no to white applicants that are the same as the black aplicants because of thier race and it is oke?

Hypocryte much?

There is no analogy. Only reality. The reality is that SAA has enough black applicants on merit to fill the available seats.

His here curtsy of the job and opportunities he gained when the whitey got his arse kicked out of his job so he is vely happy and thus spend all his wolking hours on MyBB justifying his achielvements!

Derp. I'm probably less likely to fail the pencil test than you are.

 

[Seriously]

There is no analogy. Only reality. The reality is that SAA has enough black applicants on merit to fill the available seats.


Derp. I'm probably less likely to fail the pencil test than you are.

The only "Derp" on MyBB is the brainless racist idiot that uses the word profusely!

As for your first comment I am sure there are many better qualified young men physically and mentally but they are deliberately excluded. Some do earn their keep and achievements by hard work unlike some idiots floating around on MyBB.

 

[OzzieCapie]

Yeah, a long time ago but it was not because of fear for the competition. Those current prospective and budding young pilots to be had nothing to do with Apartheid. It's time to stop riding the old donkey and start looking for new excuses or allow the young generation to compete on equal grounds. Only brainless fools that fear the young and upcoming generation of young kids think of excuses and methods to keep them out of the competition. The only reasonable reason that could be still valid is the fear of the young guys excelling to the top and thus need to be kept out of the loop at all costs.

I just wonder how the idiots that got their job's feel when they know it's not because they are qualified for the job but rather that they are given the position so to speak whether they can do the job or even deserve it or not. Zuma's son is one such pathetic idiot.

Without riding the old donkey...what was apartheid if it wasnt fear of competition? Why were intakes to medicine, engineering etc capped at 10% and that at only 2 out of many universities and did all of this not contribute to the massive imbalance that is being attempted at redressing to a much lesser extent than what the imbalance is or was.

Without riding the old donkey, let's learn from that ass so that you have leadership alll round one day that all people can look up to.

 

[Seriously]

Without riding the old donkey...what was apartheid if it wasnt fear of competition? Why were intakes to medicine, engineering etc capped at 10% and that at only 2 out of many universities and did all of this not contribute to the massive imbalance that is being attempted at redressing to a much lesser extent than what the imbalance is or was.

Without riding the old donkey, let's learn from that ass so that you have leadership alll round one day that all people can look up to.

It was not fear of competition it was an ridiculous and stupid method to control the masses. Today we see and experience why! Thats why many claim the ANC are now reverting to the Nats ways.

Why are you down under? Loud for someone who's not from here not? It's not your kids that cannot find opportunities because of their skin colour!

 

[OzzieCapie]

It was not fear of competition it was an ridiculous and stupid method to control the masses. Today we see and experience why! Thats why many claim the ANC are now reverting to the Nats ways.

Why are you down under? Loud for someone who's not from here not? It's not your kids that cannot find opportunities because of their skin colour!

Firstly, who cares where I am now. I left at a time when I had zero opportunities in SA, and I am back there every year to contribute to your future in a practical way with programs that I have initiated.

I did not bring up apartheid here, but from what I see, what my beneficiaries see, my family etc etc...there is no comparison, none whatsoever. Yes, there is affirmative action favouring certain races and with a goal rather than 'fear of competition'...which is exactly what Apartheid was, any way you paint it it was fear that the 'competition' i.e other races will get educated, get power etc. Education is the means to get power and rights.
For whites who always had higher standards of living, easy access to jobs, this can be confronting and can appear overly one sided.

 

[Slooth]

Firstly, who cares where I am now. I left at a time when I had zero opportunities in SA, and I am back there every year to contribute to your future in a practical way with programs that I have initiated.

I did not bring up apartheid here, but from what I see, what my beneficiaries see, my family etc etc...there is no comparison, none whatsoever. Yes, there is affirmative action favouring certain races and with a goal rather than 'fear of competition'...which is exactly what Apartheid was, any way you paint it it was fear that the 'competition' i.e other races will get educated, get power etc. Education is the means to get power and rights.
For whites who always had higher standards of living, easy access to jobs, this can be confronting and can appear overly one sided.

Shame man so invested in a country you don't live in. Very 'vocal' about shores you no longer reside on, perhaps you should move back and contribute more than words?

 

[TEXTILE GUY]

Why are you down under? Loud for someone who's not from here not? It's not your kids that cannot find opportunities because of their skin colour!

And thats just the unfortunate truth +1.