Bad Driving thread

Geoff.D said:
Double lanes are there only traffic volume handling - not part of the definition of either. So many road users are completely confuzzed about the differences. The signage has to be correct. The lane drifting is completely inexcusable.
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Ignoring signage, as you are correct in that the signage on Sloane doesn't indicate which of the two types of circles are present, I found this regarding the size and 'mountability' which supports my view that they are traffic circles...

What is the difference between the two circles?

A traffic circle is classified as large when it has a minimum diameter of about 16 metres and a 1.5 to 2 metre flattened curb which allows heavy vehicles to drive onto a small section of the circle. A mini traffic circle is normally not more than seven to 10 metres in diameter and the entire circle is mountable for heavy vehicles.
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Neuk_ said:
Double lane leads me to believe that they are traffic circles and not mini circles, hence the bakkie driving in front of me had the right of way.
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I don’t see a roundabout sign , if it were a roundabout the other car would have driven correctly
 
Double lanes in a mini circle have no place there , changing lanes in an intersection is also pretty dodge, but the issue is there because even the people that put these intersections in have no idea how they work
 
Geoff.D said:
Those circles in Sloane Road are a problem because they appear to be incorrectly marked. Are they normal Roundabouts or Small circles?
If the former, then yes the bakkie should not have given the car right of way, but if small circles then yes the car has right of way.
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Same general principle either way: give way to any vehicle in the circle or that will be in the circle before you that will cross your path.

Sections 2.2.4 and 2.3.13: https://www.sartsma.co.za/wp-conten...d_Traffic_Signs_Manual_Vol_1_Chapter_2__3.pdf
 
Claymore said:
Same general principle either way: give way to any vehicle in the circle or that will be in the circle before you that will cross your path.

Sections 2.2.4 and 2.3.13: https://www.sartsma.co.za/wp-conten...d_Traffic_Signs_Manual_Vol_1_Chapter_2__3.pdf
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I disagree, the rules for mini circles and traffic circles/roundabouts are different and after travelling on Sloane this morning I am convinced that the signage is completely wrong. I saw a few signs that indicate the circles are mini circles but reading up on the definition of a mini circle and traffic circle/roundabout, they are definitely traffic circles/roundabouts.
 
To the person in the VW Up who've cut me off - I could have easily pitted you... yes, you cut me that close.

Next time you won't be that lucky. Remember, bad habits tend to reinforce themselves.

Oh, and flashing the bird at me doesn't faze me at all. If you think I'd get all upset you're sadly mistaken.

Now go to work like a good little peon and STFU.
 
Neuk_ said:
I disagree, the rules for mini circles and traffic circles/roundabouts are different and after travelling on Sloane this morning I am convinced that the signage is completely wrong. I saw a few signs that indicate the circles are mini circles but reading up on the definition of a mini circle and traffic circle/roundabout, they are definitely traffic circles/roundabouts.
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Spot on. Exactly the problem. The authorities do not pay enough attention to correctly defining the nature of a circle and then fail to mark accordingly. The issue is rife in CT. It is less of a problem in JHB and PTA, but there are enough examples around to create confusion in the minds of most drivers.
 
Geoff.D said:
Spot on. Exactly the problem. The authorities do not pay enough attention to correctly defining the nature of a circle and then fail to mark accordingly. The issue is rife in CT. It is less of a problem in JHB and PTA, but there are enough examples around to create confusion in the minds of most drivers.
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Most drivers on SA roads aren't even aware that there are two types of circles and two different sets of rules so they don't even know that they should be confused :unsure:
 
New traffic rules :

When approaching a 4-way intersection, taxis have absolute right of way.
When approaching a red robot, taxis have absolute right of way.
When stuck in a traffic jam on the highway, taxis have absolute right of way and may take the yellow shoulder.
When approaching any type of traffic circle, taxis have absolute right of way.
Taxis don't have to yield, you have to yield.
 
An all too common issue at the intersection of Eaton Ave and Bryanston Dr, drivers couldn't be bothered to wait in the turn right only lane so they use the turn left/straight only lane...


Another common issue each workday afternoon is the traffic build up that needs to turn right from William Nicol Dr in to Republic Rd, with those drivers wanting to go straight getting stuck if they are not paying attention and some dangerously changing lanes...


Situations like this reinforce the idea that it is better to be predictable on the road than kind...

 
Neuk_ said:
I disagree, the rules for mini circles and traffic circles/roundabouts are different and after travelling on Sloane this morning I am convinced that the signage is completely wrong. I saw a few signs that indicate the circles are mini circles but reading up on the definition of a mini circle and traffic circle/roundabout, they are definitely traffic circles/roundabouts.
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You're disagreeing with the traffic law?

In principle, same thing: give way to anyone in the circle who will cross your path before you can get into the circle.
 
Claymore said:
You're disagreeing with the traffic law?

In principle, same thing: give way to anyone in the circle who will cross your path before you can get into the circle.
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No, I agree with the traffic law, your principle is very simple and only applies to giving way to those in a circle, not those approaching the circle which is where there is a clear difference between mini circles and traffic circles/roundabouts.
 
Two more incidents at the traffic circles on Sloane, the first are two drivers who fail to indicate although they are in the inner most lane of the traffic circle, I lost my patience with the second one which is not the best idea. The second incident is where a driver completely ignores another driver already in the circle and makes a lane change going through the circle...

 
Neuk_ said:
Two more incidents at the traffic circles on Sloane, the first are two drivers who fail to indicate although they are in the inner most lane of the traffic circle, I lost my patience with the second one which is not the best idea. The second incident is where a driver completely ignores another driver already in the circle and makes a lane change going through the circle...
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Those seem to be clearly marked as mini circles even though they are not mini and have two lanes. You need to give way to anybody that's in the circle, or arrives before you.
 
This happens most mornings, taxi drivers doing uturns block the intersection turning from just about all lanes...


Another daily occurrence, not always taxi drivers though...

 
I don't see this often, not the direction that I travel in anyway, a driver uses the straight only lane to turn right in to Main Rd while going through a red traffic light...

 
Never knew how true this meme was until yesterday:
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Was driving along the N2, I moved over into the right lane to overtake 3 or 4 cars all going at about 110km/h. I sped up to 130km/h, and probably took me about 10 seconds or so in the fast lane. About midway while overtaking an audi that must have been doing 150km/h is within a couple of meters of my a$s, so close that the front of his car wasn't visible in my rear view mirror.

After I passed the last car I moved over as I usually do, he throws his middle finger high out his window - then proceeds to do the same thing to the next car in front about 100m down the road.

Utter twat.
 
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