Bad side effects from Pre-Workout

No. Fat slobbery is NOT doing the internal work. It's the other side of avoidance and evasion of personal responsibility. I'm not saying that.
 
Arthur said:
@Random Hero : I can understand the desire to beef up. But don't do it by messing with a normal healthy diet and a normal (moderate) exercise routine. Rather work on your self-acceptance. If you try to abnormally (for your body type) beef yourself up with dicey supplements and special foods you put yourself on a path that avoids the real internal work you need to do to find acceptance and peace. Exercise and eat normally. Rather beef yourself up internally. My R0.02.
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Hey bro,

Thank you for this response very enlightening.

I have always been skinny and then I got this skinny fat avocado body shape over the last 2 years due to stress. In August just after the super rugby finals I got this super flu for 3 weeks where I barely ate food. lost about 7-8kg (Luckily this was mostly fat around the boep area, my sides, face and butt. Went doen from 73-74kg to 66kg which I am now.

Started to gym 20 days ago. I honestly do not want to look like a gym boet, just want to be stronger and faster. I have like 0 back muscles. So over the last 2 and a half weeks I have mainly focused on cardio and playing around with the 8s and 10s to get my form ready and my muscles use to picking up weights.

I do not have a propper routine yet. but I want to start doing that today.
 
Good for you. Working off that blubber is good. Don't try to do it in 2 seconds, though. Eat right and make sure you're exercise. Balance is more important. What you want to aim for is a habit and routine that works and that isn't too ambitious (which sets you up for failure). Steady, routine, changes of habit and lifestyle tweaks that are sustainable.
 
Random Hero said:
I'm a skinny guy and I want to train hard and get bigger. I'm using it cause I understand it helps you train harder and go heavier.
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Eat more. End of story. Supplements aren't the answer, you need to eat more food. You said in the BBing thread you're 1,75 and 66kg. You are only 66kg not because of lack of supps, but lack of food.
 
Not necessarily. There's a very large range of natural and normal. Just eat healthy which includes enough decent meat, and exercise moderately. If you enjoy it, play a sport, go hiking, etc.
 
I personally never liked these pre-mixed shyte. Evox is amazing, but use the Protein, creatine and the likes separately. Don't buy these all in one shakes.

If the protein shakes aren't your go to, you will have to eat and eat you will have too :D

Tuna, Chicken breasts, eggs.

And lots of it.
 
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While I do not disagree with any of the advice here, which is sort out your diet first and foremost, the answer your original question:

- Shortness of breath is worrying; can't say I've ever had those side-effects from PWO
- The redness and hot tingles is caused by the Beta Alanine - it's nothing to worry about. You build up a tolerance quite quickly.
 
CarsinemiA said:
While I do not disagree with any of the advice here, which is sort out your diet first and foremost, the answer your original question:

- Shortness of breath is worrying; can't say I've ever had those side-effects from PWO
- The redness and hot tingles is caused by the Beta Alanine - it's nothing to worry about. You build up a tolerance quite quickly.
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Yeah. I tend to agree here. I would stop taking it immediately. Don't need a pre-workout. In the beginning, it can be a little rough, but the body adapts quickly. An apple and cup of coffee an hour before should be all you need if a kick is needed.
 
Thanks for the advice guys. so this is what my dailly diet looks like:

Breakfast(07:00 - 08:00):

Cup of Oats with a scoop of peanut butter and a coffee with sweetner

early lunch(10:00 - 11:00):

4 profitas with cucumber

Lunch(13:00 - 14:00):

3 Crackerbreads with Tuna mixed with a bit of light mayo and grated cheese and some cucumbers on top or avocado)

PWO
WORKOUT from 16h00 to 17h30
WHEY AND CREATINE SHAKE

Dinner(19:00 - 20:00):
2 Skinless chicken fillets and 6 large pieces of broccoli with cheese


Does this sound fine?
Thing is that my budget is very tight at the moment lol, I also sometimes eat Quick Noodles for lunch.
 
Your diet seems like it's low on calories. You are trying to bulk, so you probably need to eat more. I would starve on such little food... Start by working out your BMR (basal metabolic rate), and then add calories from there (like 200 or so).
 
Emjay said:
Your diet seems like it's low on calories. You are trying to bulk, so you probably need to eat more. I would starve on such little food... Start by working out your BMR (basal metabolic rate), and then add calories from there (like 200 or so).
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This you need to eat constantly supplement your in-betweens with boiled eggs, you need to eat at least 6 meals a day and snack in between.
 
Dirtdiver said:
Its not normal, lol? But it happened to me when i took a pre after a very long time. Drop the dosage? When you first start training, a pre is the only reason you go to gym, lol. I personally take it when i really need it now. Dnt depend on it.
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I tried Hell fire and had the same experience. Not a good feeling. Most of the time I train in a fasted state. I have enough glycogen to last me for a 45 min to an hour session. After training I have my first meal.
 
320mg of caffeine for the first time is a lot, definitely cut your dose to half, and in time you will build a tolerance.

I do get the "Prickly/tingling" feeling on my face/ears/arms, it's the Beta Alanine. It will go away after 30 minutes.

The Pre-Workout includes creatine, so no need to add more, rather spend your money on protein.

I also get a rash on my forearms and chest, but only with Evox. (Might be the Green Tea Extract or Green coffee bean extract)

The other Pre-workouts I've tried, I only get the prickly/tingly feeling.

I go to gym after 17:00 and a Pre-workout is the only way I get through a workout.

Use it, but don't abuse it.
 
Random Hero said:
Thanks for the advice guys. so this is what my dailly diet looks like:

Breakfast(07:00 - 08:00):

Cup of Oats with a scoop of peanut butter and a coffee with sweetner

early lunch(10:00 - 11:00):

4 profitas with cucumber

Lunch(13:00 - 14:00):

3 Crackerbreads with Tuna mixed with a bit of light mayo and grated cheese and some cucumbers on top or avocado)

PWO
WORKOUT from 16h00 to 17h30
WHEY AND CREATINE SHAKE

Dinner(19:00 - 20:00):
2 Skinless chicken fillets and 6 large pieces of broccoli with cheese


Does this sound fine?
Thing is that my budget is very tight at the moment lol, I also sometimes eat Quick Noodles for lunch.
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Your diet is bad and you will not grow on that. If you budget is tight, stop buying supplements and start buying real food. Things like eggs, chicken, mince, vegetables, tuna, rice...
 
The_Mowgs said:
Your diet is bad and you will not grow on that. If you budget is tight, stop buying supplements and start buying real food. Things like eggs, chicken, mince, vegetables, tuna, rice...
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what meals do you suggest?
 
Random Hero said:
what meals do you suggest?
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Carb sources: White basmati rice, white potatoes, oats, white pasta
Protein: Chicken, beef mince, tuna, ostrich, eggs
Fats: Peanut butter, avos, eggs

Learn to eat, lots. To grow you need to start eating every 3 hours, and be uncomfortably full most days.

A simple test to determine if your current diet is "fine" as you asked earlier: Is you body/physique the way you want it, or at least moving towards the way you want it?

Yes = Your diet is fine
No = Your diet is not fine

I don't have the time now to work out your calories and macros but I don't see that daily diet being more than 1500 calories. I weigh 85 and am currently cutting on 2400 cals daily. You need to be eating at least 2500 to grow at 66kg.
 
Random Hero said:
what meals do you suggest?
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You can try an app like MyFitnessPal Calorie Counter. Tell the program you want to gain 0.5kg a week and it will give you targets of how much to eat, and breaks down protein/carbs/fat for you as well. You can scan barcodes of packaged food, or search "chicken breast". Get a kitchen scale. Track everything you consume.

Do that for about 6 months and you'll get the hang of it and you won't need to touch the app again.
 
Random Hero said:
what meals do you suggest?
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Meat and carbs, you want to bulk up. On your current diet you aren't going to bulk up at all even with supplements. If you gym regularly you going to be burning through calories as well.
 
Random Hero, how are you financing yourself while you are out of work?
 
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