Bad side effects from Pre-Workout

Eedubz said:
If you want to lean out then keep eating at your current incredibly large calorie deficit and you will keep wasting away, possibly to below 66kg.

If you want to put on any size at all then eat more. More carbs. Lots more.

This is what I'm currently eating TO GET LEANER. This is a 500 calorie deficit for me, I get leaner (less fat, unfatter, smaller) eating this volume of food. Stop wasting money on supplements (noun. a thing added to something else in order to complete or enhance it. when you don't have your diet sorted.

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This is very decent. But where do you get the time to prepare all of this?
 
Random Hero said:
This is very decent. But where do you get the time to prepare all of this?
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When I am training for a big event, I can spend around 20 hours a week training. It's all about priorities. I watch very little TV, limit my time online, my days are long, and I don't do many late nights. I am up at 5:30 am, and back home from work and training for dinner at 7pm. If you want something badly enough, you will make the time.
 
Emjay said:
There is a lot of good advise here, but I don't think your understanding is 100% there. You can look lean and defined just by dieting. But you are going to be too lean. You are already far too light imo. I am 5ft11 and weigh more than you do, as a female. Now you can understand how light you are. You need to gain some muscle. To do that, you need to eat more. You are going to put on body fat, but that's par for the course when bulking up. Once you have gained some muscle mass, you will be able to diet down to get that "lean and defined" look. You can train all you want, you are not going to get any bigger before you get your diet right.
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I think the problem is that I live off a budget so I try not to spend too much at this stage.
 
Emjay said:
When I am training for a big event, I can spend around 20 hours a week training. It's all about priorities. I watch very little TV, limit my time online, my days are long, and I don't do many late nights. I am up at 5:30 am, and back home from work and training for dinner at 7pm. If you want something badly enough, you will make the time.
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What kind of event?
 
Also i wanted to know, if I use one of those mass builder supplements. Could I use that to supplement some foods to make up for my diet?
 
Random Hero said:
This is very decent. But where do you get the time to prepare all of this?
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On a Sunday, takes 1-2 hours and I don't have to cook at all during the week. We're all busy people bud, don't think I live an easy carefree life where I have loads of spare time. I also don't have an unlimited budget.

Random Hero said:
Also i wanted to know, if I use one of those mass builder supplements. Could I use that to supplement some foods to make up for my diet?
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Not necessary. Oats, PB, banana, whey, water/milk. Blend. Drink.

You don't know what they put in those mass gainers to make up the cals/macros. With my shake above you know exactly what's going into it and can tweak as you need to. Plus it's cheaper.

Need more carbs, add more oats/banana.
Need more fat, add more PB.
Need more protein, add more whey.

It's not rocket science.
 
Eedubz said:
On a Sunday, takes 1-2 hours and I don't have to cook at all during the week. We're all busy people bud, don't think I live an easy carefree life where I have loads of spare time. I also don't have an unlimited budget.



Not necessary. Oats, PB, banana, whey, water/milk. Blend. Drink.

You don't know what they put in those mass gainers to make up the cals/macros. With my shake above you know exactly what's going into it and can tweak as you need to. Plus it's cheaper.

Need more carbs, add more oats/banana.
Need more fat, add more PB.
Need more protein, add more whey.

It's not rocket science.
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OP doesn't seem to get it. There's quite a few good advice on bulking with whole foods on a budget. But then ignores it completely? Like many have said adding oats/brown bread/brown rice is a clean, cheap and quick option to increase your calorie intake = bulking and putting on muscle mass.
 
harties said:
OP doesn't seem to get it. There's quite a few good advice on bulking with whole foods on a budget. But then ignores it completely? Like many have said adding oats/brown bread/brown rice is a clean, cheap and quick option to increase your calorie intake = bulking and putting on muscle mass.
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It's a common problem/misconception with OPs like OP. They seem to think "supplements" are some magic pill, specifically protein supps like whey and mass gainers. At the end of the day it's just a collection of 3 macro nutrients. Whether you drink a mass gainer or eat a potato loaded with tuna you're still getting in the same 3 macros. Real/whole foods is obviously preferred as you get more micros and fibre, but for convenience sometimes you need to use a shake. My mass gainer shake laid out above is cheap, easily manipulated/tweaked and tasty.

Yes I have 2 servings of whey in my meal 1 and 5 (as set out on my daily log on the previous page), but that's only because I'm not too fond of adding chicken breasts or ostrich mince to my morning oats and pre-workout cream of rice concoction :p
The rest of my 2400 daily cals all comes from actual food.

What is this sorcery!
 
Stop wasting time with raw eggs, that belief has been debunked ages ago. You'll absorb a lot more protein if they're cooked.
 
You can make entirely delicious scrambled eggs in about 90 seconds. I dont see the point in trying to hard boil them unless your meal calls for hard boiled eggs. If you are just trying to get some eggs down your hatch, and you are not keen on raw eggs. Scrambled is the next best thing, not hard boiled.
 
I'm thinking about buying a mass gainer to just add to my diet and drink around 10 everyday to add more carbs. Do you think this is a good idea?
 
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