Beyond the SEACOM hype

whats your isp's name

somewherenotthere said:
I have heard from my ISP that they will be decreasing prices next month... they are just testing first and once they are live they will change their pricing
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whats your isp's name I can check where they are getting there bandwidth from
 
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StbA said:
Solution. As an Telkom contracted ISP open another ISP, get your bandwidth exclusively from Seacom, move customers over to new ISP, declare bankruptcy on the old, get out of contract.
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you still need telkom for local adsl delivery
 
labratza said:
yeah if we can get some news as to what is happening with the Seacom cable from the ISP's then maybe we can get some of these guys here to keep quiet.

I will never understand how people expect change to happen the 2nd it was lit yesterday. give it a few months guys. People still have to recover the cost.

Think about it this way when you start a company would you rather start running at a loss or would you want to start paying back the loan you took from the bank and making a profit out of it.

Think like a Buisness man then you will see where they are coming from
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Rather say thieves than people. Grrrr....Zzzz
 
labratza said:
I will never understand how people expect change to happen the 2nd it was lit yesterday. give it a few months guys. People still have to recover the cost.

Think about it this way when you start a company would you rather start running at a loss or would you want to start paying back the loan you took from the bank and making a profit out of it.

Think like a Buisness man then you will see where they are coming from
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Yes...
I have seen many a business go under because the owner wants the car, the house and life that comes from owning a business...

It takes years to get build a robust, sustainable business going... The investors in Seacom will not see much of their money for a long time... They do own a rather useful and in-demand resource...

The article looks like a well worded summary of our comments from the previous two articles on Seacom...

More propaganda... Maybe even testing to see how long we are willing to wait and how little we are expecting...

Thinking a little differently...
Seacom (albeit only 80Gbs of it) is now 'on'... Where does that leave the Local loop? The demand for access to the data availability from Seacom and the 'improved' SAT3 is already out here with us... How long before the cost of starting over with a totally new last-mile service provider is superceded by the demand...

Another odd thought...
How is it the impoverished are always getting all these cool things they don't even know exist... Do they know that they can use their mobile phone to surf for a recipe using a half goat's head, two onions and a cup of mielie meal... Really, pull the other one. When a someone spends $600mil US, they are not thinking of my deaf-mute gardener...
 
Kawak said:
Neotel is the biggest load of BS there is on the market today, they have all the backhaul capacity and connections to seacom but not a whisper of lower prices from them???? ya right, immediately imminent. They can't even provision expansion properly.

I do not expect anything with telkom, in fact if there is any ISP out there that will bring out a service with decent service levels at a gr8 price I'd like to see telkom DIE when we all jump over. but lets face the facts, no one will even consider lowering prices when they can rip us off, I guess business is business, so maybe it is time to take to the streets and demand immediate change, with huge consequences if not done according to our wishes.

LLU is taking far too long, wtf? all these panels are just wasting our time and giving telkom money, F LLU commitee.
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Where and when do we gather. You bring the placards.:)
 
wirelessvsadsl said:
Not seacom ROI but companies like ourselves that have purchased an IRU Indefeasible Right of use from SEACOM

we have to bear the costs of the purchase interest arroung 15% on the capital loaned and the equipment cost of around $ 1Mil in our case etc
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Does SAT-3 not have these costs as well? The fact of the matter is Seacom is cheaper. ISP's are saving on costs. We should get cheaper prices.
 
wirelessvsadsl said:
Hi I will help out buy providing the correct facts about the SEACOM myth as we are busy with our commissioning at the moment i will advise the forum about latest info etc just to share the actual truth around seacom but will not reveal comapany
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You shall now be known as.... Deapthroat II.

The way I see it the ISPs will now buy bandwidth from SEACOM and charge SAT-3 prices and claim that it's because they have to see out their contracts on SAT-3 before they can even get any SEACOM bandwidth. :sick:

What I want to know is when Telkom/SEACOM sell you bandwidth is do they sell you up to the point of the landing station in Europe/India/etc who then carries it further to the server sitting in Belgium or France? If that is free then why do we need to pay Telkom/SEACOM surely that should also be free? I know, head in the clouds.

Funny thing is now it costs more for your packets to get from Jhb to Durbs (600km) than it does from Durbs to Europe (15000KM). I think the competition commission should be asking why?
 
MadMailMan said:
You shall now be known as.... Deapthroat II.

The way I see it the ISPs will now buy bandwidth from SEACOM and charge SAT-3 prices and claim that it's because they have to see out their contracts on SAT-3 before they can even get any SEACOM bandwidth. :sick:

What I want to know is when Telkom/SEACOM sell you bandwidth is do they sell you up to the point of the landing station in Europe/India/etc who then carries it further to the server sitting in Belgium or France? If that is free then why do we need to pay Telkom/SEACOM surely that should also be free? I know, head in the clouds.

Funny thing is now it costs more for your packets to get from Jhb to Durbs (600km) than it does from Durbs to Europe (15000KM). I think the competition commission should be asking why?
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Termination is at Telehouse in london where we interconnect with all of our peers Level3 Etc we purchase in bunches of STM1's they are terminated into the T/Div Multiplexers we have a African MPLS layout at each and every landing station from SA Moz Kenya Tanzania And UK unfortunately once we are in South Africa similar to every where else in Africa the need for Local Ends increases the costs by over 100% telkom and neotel will not bring there local rates down as that is there cash cow now if you atomize the investment on seacom over a 20 year period the cost of the cable is Sub $100 per meg but remember that assumes that you are selling 100% of the capacity for the whole 20 years with no interest or cable maintenance costs involved and to have a satellite transponder on backup for a single stm1 costs $ 350000 per month so the costs are high and i don't think the public understands the costs there as the african market is very secretive
 
One more thing. The 80Gbs that has been "lit-up" is that purely for SA or is that shared with all the other countries on route? Also who says how much each country can use and how is that policed?
 
wirelessvsadsl said:
Termination is at Telehouse in london where we interconnect with all of our peers Level3 Etc we purchase in bunches of STM1's they are terminated into the T/Div Multiplexers we have a African MPLS layout at each and every landing station from SA Moz Kenya Tanzania And UK unfortunately once we are in South Africa similar to every where else in Africa the need for Local Ends increases the costs by over 100% telkom and neotel will not bring there local rates down as that is there cash cow now if you atomize the investment on seacom over a 20 year period the cost of the cable is Sub $100 per meg but remember that assumes that you are selling 100% of the capacity for the whole 20 years with no interest or cable maintenance costs involved and to have a satellite transponder on backup for a single stm1 costs $ 350000 per month so the costs are high and i don't think the public understands the costs there as the african market is very secretive
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Don't forget the backhaul pipes from durbs to jhb, most likely rented from Telkom ($) ($)
 
wirelessvsadsl said:
whats your isp's name I can check where they are getting there bandwidth from
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Thanks for all the comments and info so far wirelessvsadsl it's been interesting.

can you tell use what ISPs in SA are peering directly into the Seacom cable or would that be giving out to much info?

So Seacom is an open access cable does that mean an ISP in SA buys an STM1 from Seacom and choose which ISP in France or UK that want to buy their onward bandwidth from? (assuming they not an International company like TATA or IS just buying a link from 1 POP to another)
eg from this list http://www.telehouse.net/en/colocation/isp-list-az
 
Curse of Tantalus yet again. All that stuff we can see but not touch, look at but not download. Its a Greek Tragedy, I tell you.
 
East Africa gets high-speed web

Read the BOLD section its so typical African
The BBC's Ben Mwangunda in Dar es Salaam says five institutions are already benefiting from the faster speeds - national electricity company Tanesco, communications company, TTCL, Tanzania Railways and the Universities of Dar es Salaam and Dodoma.

The BBC's Will Ross in Nairobi,Kenya says the internet revolution trumpeted by Seacom largely depends on how well the service is rolled out across the region.

To the disappointment of many consumers, our correspondent says some ISPs (internet service providers) are not planning to lower the cost of the internet, but instead will offer increased bandwidth.

But businesses, which have been paying around $3,000 a month for 1MB through a satellite link, will now pay considerably less - about $600 a month.
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But businesses, which have been paying around $3,000 a month for 1MB through a satellite link, will now pay considerably less - about $600 a month.
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So, instead, satelite gets cheaper by 80%...but also no reduction in price for the standard consumer... :rolleyes:
 
wirelessvsadsl said:
... now if you atomize the investment on seacom over a 20 year period the cost of the cable is Sub $100 per meg but remember that assumes that you are selling 100% of the capacity for the whole 20 years with no interest or cable maintenance costs involved and to have a satellite transponder on backup for a single stm1 costs $ 350000 per month so the costs are high ..
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You almost sound like you know the business case for ventures such as this, but end up sounding like someone from a science-fiction movie... :p

So tell us now since you mention Satellite backup - does Seacom have redundancy?

Would it be risky for a business to use Seacom exclusively? What happens if the cable does get atomized? ;) It's my understanding that Seacom doesn't have redundancy, so any business with SLA's to meet would have to keep an interest in SAT3 until Eassy comes round. 2 cheap international connections=cheap service with redundancy
 
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