Blu-Ray gains ground

Sorry that disappoints you and that your day is spoiled cos you didn't talk me into rushing out and buying one like you. :p

Rather rush of to PirateBay and download the 30GIG HD content there, Oh sucks, you cant afford it. The CAP! Another 5 years of waiting then?
 
So why quote it.

I didn't, I completely ignored that part of the post, because I couldn't tell between your words and mine and your coloring in all over the place. I only quoted your words outside of the quote. Are you sure you are feeling all right, because you really are not making any sense?

Old flamebait trick, is it not? You responded because You thought I caught you out it seems. I was just commenting in general.

Excuse me? I have no idea what you are going on about here. I replied to the part of your post that where I could make out what you were saying. The rest was a jumbled mess of colored scribblings. You are welcome to repost it if you insist on an answer.

I repeat on the question of DRM: (In general)
Sorry if you felt like one! Your mindset.

I know who I am and am quite comfortable with that... thank you! :)

But, I repeat ... on the point of DRM... since you brought it up. It's a stupid technology and pointless. It is a waste of money, and will ultimately be defeated anyway. It has no effect on piracy and only serves to frustrate the end-user. Thanks for listening and for giving me a platform. ;)
 
Rather rush of to PirateBay and download the 30GIG HD content there, Oh sucks, you cant afford it. The CAP! Another 5 years of waiting then?

Oooh, now who touched a nerve! :D over-react much? I thought you were trying to prove in a previous post that you weren't calling ME a pirate! :p
 
Please - stop arguing about the video quality of BluRay - we already have DVD and it is good enough.

The only use for BluyRay is data storage - and it sucks at that also.

How the f8ck would you know? Please don't enter conversations that you're not qualified to... your biased little diatribes are getting boring. All they do is show your ignorance. Please go away.
 
arf : Don't feed the troll.... as difficult as that can be at times...
 
DVD is not good enough, not anymore. Most people are playing computer games at twice the res of a DVD, so why should we watch SD content anymore? Try as I might, I cannot get to grips with upscaling, it just doesn't look the same. I have some hi def samples and clips that truly show why it is the future.

Manufacturers were divided at the start when there was the format war, but now that it is over, the format is leaping from strength to strength. I've seen many more shops stock BD now, and more and more shelf space is being devoted to it. All the studios have caught on now, and are sometimes releasing BD ahead of DVD.

As for the whole digital download, I don't see it working yet. Apart from some countries in Asia, not many have the backbone capacity for that. Besides, 3 movies is 150GB give or take, and unless you are on fiber, that will take ages to download. If your hard drive crashes, your files are gone. With BD, you still have the disk, which will continue to work, subject to the normal rules and trials of optical media.

I will get a Bd drive for my PC as soon as I can, and once the price has dropped a little more.
 
I didn't, I completely ignored that part of the post, because I couldn't tell between your words and mine and your coloring in all over the place. I only quoted your words outside of the quote. Are you sure you are feeling all right, because you really are not making any sense?



Excuse me? I have no idea what you are going on about here. I replied to the part of your post that where I could make out what you were saying. The rest was a jumbled mess of colored scribblings. You are welcome to repost it if you insist on an answer.



I know who I am and am quite comfortable with that... thank you! :)

But, I repeat ... on the point of DRM... since you brought it up. It's a stupid technology and pointless. It is a waste of money, and will ultimately be defeated anyway. It has no effect on piracy and only serves to frustrate the end-user. Thanks for listening and for giving me a platform. ;)

What an I....
Lets see who brought up DRM in this whole discussion. Short term memory problems, must be about age 10 (or 80 and counting) :D

... but I'm a Blu-Ray skeptic.... and don't even get me started on all the DRM crap embedded into Blu-Ray! :mad:
 
Oooh, now who touched a nerve! :D over-react much? I thought you were trying to prove in a previous post that you weren't calling ME a pirate! :p

I have nothing to prove, but you have!. I never said you are a pirate, you assumed that based on a few words/fact I posted. I now believe its a guilty conscience that made you react like a tard' and still do! I believe I know your reasons why you reacted like you did. Also you comments in the PirateBay court case makes it very clear.
 
DVD is not good enough, not anymore. Most people are playing computer games at twice the res of a DVD, so why should we watch SD content anymore? Try as I might, I cannot get to grips with upscaling, it just doesn't look the same. I have some hi def samples and clips that truly show why it is the future.

Manufacturers were divided at the start when there was the format war, but now that it is over, the format is leaping from strength to strength. I've seen many more shops stock BD now, and more and more shelf space is being devoted to it. All the studios have caught on now, and are sometimes releasing BD ahead of DVD.

As for the whole digital download, I don't see it working yet. Apart from some countries in Asia, not many have the backbone capacity for that. Besides, 3 movies is 150GB give or take, and unless you are on fiber, that will take ages to download. If your hard drive crashes, your files are gone. With BD, you still have the disk, which will continue to work, subject to the normal rules and trials of optical media.

I will get a Bd drive for my PC as soon as I can, and once the price has dropped a little more.

Exactly but there are a few "pirates", I meant to say "members" here that finds it very hard to understand. They always come with the future technology arguments that would replace or compete with Blu Ray. (Google this Forum and you will find the same names as far as years back. Some changed names but they know who they are.) Yet they have never given concrete proof that these technologies exists and is in the making to the extend that is is going to be released to the mass market soon. But then read through the lines of their rants and soon you will find that these members are rather against DRM and thus protection rights are their main gripe and not the media or new technology in itself, they hate the fact that companies are moving back to proprioty hardware to protect their copyright media as it interferes with their favourite passtime. i.e DMR's theft via PirateBay or other torrents sites via a PC. That is the real crux of their rants. They are anti SONY, anti DRM and anti protection of media content for one and one reason only and my 10 year old boy can guess that reason.

They just cannot accept that Blu Ray was selected above HD DVD as the safest media to protect digital content and it stores more data on top of it.
 
What about your BR requiring internet to do updates and other DRM crap?

I dont see this as an issue, and nor should you, i dont think you complain every time there is a java update or adobe update available for you PC.

Please - stop arguing about the video quality of BluRay - we already have DVD and it is good enough.

The only use for BluyRay is data storage - and it sucks at that also.

Oh no you didn't, this is some kind of a joke right..... right.

I get it now, "post count"
 
I have nothing to prove, but you have!. I never said you are a pirate, you assumed that based on a few words/fact I posted. I now believe its a guilty conscience that made you react like a tard' and still do! I believe I know your reasons why you reacted like you did. Also you comments in the PirateBay court case makes it very clear.

Actually, all you have succeeded in proving is that Sony fan boys can be as rabid as Apple fan boys! :D Give it a rest now... please! :rolleyes:
 
BluRay is pretty bogus. Let me explain why.

1. BD and it's HD is pitched by advertisers as 5x the definition of standard definition.
Yet at least 18% of HD TV owners can't tell when an HD signal is broadcast or not, they believe they are watching HD all the time.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/154428/HDTV.html?tk=rss_news

BD/HD which is pitched as 5x the SD has a major issue. It's sold with TINY HDTVs. HDTVs in 40 inches are not large enough to benefit from HD. Even 46 inches isn't much, yet most affordable HDTVs are in that range 32-46 inches. Those are sets from R8999 to R30000. That's pretty expensive.
You need to sit at least within 3 screen heights
http://www.tvtechnology.com/article/12836
to benefit from the 5x SD resolution of HD, if one takes into the resolving power of a normal 20/20 vision eye. This graph further illustrates this
http://chinese.engadgethd.com/2006/12/09/1080p-charted-viewing-distance-to-screen-size/
The benefits LAUDED by BD/HD pundits at this day and age are fully appreciated when one uses a display that is large enough. For most modern rooms that is a huge display,
I'll take my living room as an example, the distance from my wall (TV) to my main couch is 6 meters or 19.69 feet. If you look at the graph on
http://chinese.engadgethd.com/2006/12/09/1080p-charted-viewing-distance-to-screen-size/
You will see that I will need a 1080P TV screen size of 100" diagonally to START TO APPRECIATE the beauty of 1080P. Do it yourselves, check out how big your room is and see if the R9000 42 inch TV is enough to appreciate 1080P as per that graph (further backed up scientifically by http://www.tvtechnology.com/article/12836 - have a read it's an interesting article with references to the physiology of the human eye.)

A 100 inch plasma set will cost what - R250,000??? Whooopppeee for R250,000
I can enjoy full HD and really get the advantage of Bluray. In fact we could take the BD advertisers to the ASA and win. They advertise full HD but for tiny rooms on these affordable sets. To really benefit you need a much larger set typically 50-60 inches for most people - 3m-3.5m away from TV viewing.

So the advertisers are pushing BD disks and cheap, tiny HDTVs (and R25K can mean cheap) all the while boasting 5x the resolution of HD and immense improvements, charging R3500 for the cheapest BD player (which is region locked by the way, takes almost a minute to load the disk because of the DRM and accepts only HDCP connections).

2. Then there is the BS of the BD content protection and mandatory analog down sampling. I own a 720P award winning for best picture for that year, plasma set from a few years ago, which is not HDCP certified. I am unable to view HD content at 720P from Bluray disks because of stupid content protection blocking. Not that I would actually be able to discern the extra pixels if I sat the full 6m away.
Other people with full HD rear projection sets, full HD projectors or even 720p projectors and earlier LCD HD sets with improper HDCP implementations are in the same boat.
They can go out and buy the HDFury dongle and view full HD over component cables that way but that's extra cost and something not officially supported by the BD consortium.

3. BD has terrible DRM. You are unable to format shift. Which is terribly bogus.
What's more you cannot BACKUP. Something the COPYRIGHT law gives you explicit permission to do IN SOUTH AFRICA and THE UNITED STATES (and elsewhere).

So if you have young children - and they touch that highly dense Bluray disk, R300+ down the toilet.

4. Region Coding. OMG! Haven't they learned yet. We want to see films from around the world. I don't want to see stupid Hollywood schlock from Korea but I frequently enjoy and buy movies from France, Spain, Poland, England, Russia, Japan, Korea, Australia, Canada, Austria, Holland, Norway, Romania, Czech Rep, Brazil and many other places. I enjoy world cinema, I enjoy Cannes/Venice/Rome/etc winners and runner-ups, I enjoy anime, I enjoy foreign language stuff and even the occasional J-idol video.
Sadly the industry has given me the middle finger. While everyone but 2 of my DVD players are able to watch all regions (or came from the factory that way) the 2 which can't do it is one of my laptops and the stupid Samsung BD player. Neither can I watch BDs outside of Region B. Most of my DVD movies are Region 1, many are Region 2 Japan,
many are Region 3 and some Region 4 - but I am now locked out from a great variety of stuff I wouldn't mind watching in BD but I can't. I will need to import a region free BD player from HKFlix or buy a US or Japanese BD player.

The last 3 gripes are pretty specific, but are valid. They restrict choice and many other valuable things - freedom especially. Point 1 is paramount and is the main reason why BD is not really HD as you need binoculars or be Mr Rockefeller to really enjoy full HD.
 
Nice post PeterCH! You should convert that to a blog post. Nice amount of research etc.
 
So if you have young children - and they touch that highly dense Bluray disk, R300+ down the toilet.

Have you actually touched a bluray disk? I've reused my ps3 games over and over, and have bought quite a few 2nd/3rd/4th hand ones - I am yet to see a finger print or scratch on the disk.

I've also got a few of the same movies on Bluray and DVD, and I definitely notice the difference on a 46" LCD from about 3m away.
 
Have you actually touched a bluray disk? I've reused my ps3 games over and over, and have bought quite a few 2nd/3rd/4th hand ones - I am yet to see a finger print or scratch on the disk.

I've also got a few of the same movies on Bluray and DVD, and I definitely notice the difference on a 46" from about 3m away.

Have you ever had a 3 year old child put your DVD/Disc on the ground and rub it over the tiles vigorously until it is as smooth as sandpaper? :D
 
Have you ever had a 3 year old child put your DVD/Disc on the ground and rub it over the tiles vigorously until it is as smooth as sandpaper? :D

I don't have a 3yr old - but if he does that to your DVD's, he's probably moved on to your LCD by now - so you won't have to worry about 1080p :D
 
Actually, all you have succeeded in proving is that Sony fan boys can be as rabid as Apple fan boys! :D Give it a rest now... please! :rolleyes:

I get your point Uhggg! Peter is at it again. I wonder if he really have a blu ray player and/or HD tv. Cos' either his blind or just not with it. He starts of with BD and conveniantly repeat all his HD v SD and DRM cr@p again!

BluRay is pretty bogus. Let me explain why.

1. BD and it's HD is pitched by advertisers as 5x the definition of standard definition.
Yet at least 18% of HD TV owners can't tell when an HD signal is broadcast or not, they believe they are watching HD all the time.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/154428/HDTV.html?tk=rss_news

BD/HD which is pitched as 5x the SD has a major issue. It's sold with TINY HDTVs. HDTVs in 40 inches are not large enough to benefit from HD. Even 46 inches isn't much, yet most affordable HDTVs are in that range 32-46 inches. Those are sets from R8999 to R30000. That's pretty expensive.
You need to sit at least within 3 screen heights

Who does the sales pitch and makes the choice of the HD screen, what does this have to do with BD? BD is the media, you are on HD TV's again. AND Again, And Again. You are just repeating yourself al lover again. The third thread in so many days.

http://www.tvtechnology.com/article/12836
to benefit from the 5x SD resolution of HD, if one takes into the resolving power of a normal 20/20 vision eye. This graph further illustrates this
http://chinese.engadgethd.com/2006/12/09/1080p-charted-viewing-distance-to-screen-size/
The benefits LAUDED by BD/HD pundits at this day and age are fully appreciated when one uses a display that is large enough. For most modern rooms that is a huge display,
I'll take my living room as an example, the distance from my wall (TV) to my main couch is 6 meters or 19.69 feet. If you look at the graph on
http://chinese.engadgethd.com/2006/12/09/1080p-charted-viewing-distance-to-screen-size/
You will see that I will need a 1080P TV screen size of 100" diagonally to START TO APPRECIATE the beauty of 1080P.

You talk cr@p again! Just move the seat to suit. You can see the difference, some just see better than others. There are 100's of posters here that already bought into HD and their feedback is totally different than yours. Make me wonder if you even own or have seen HD in action. The same was the time when DSTV HD transmission on the HD channel during the olympic's, Everyone saw a difference but YOU AFAIK.


Do it yourselves, check out how big your room is and see if the R9000 42 inch TV is enough to appreciate 1080P as per that graph (further backed up scientifically by http://www.tvtechnology.com/article/12836 - have a read it's an interesting article with references to the physiology of the human eye.)


WHAT A LOT OF HOG WASH. You can clearly see a difference in the display shops Makro, HiFi Corp between SD and HD and even HD and "HD" Who are you trying to convince but yourself.

A 100 inch plasma set will cost what - R250,000??? Whooopppeee for R250,000
I can enjoy full HD and really get the advantage of Bluray. In fact we could take the BD advertisers to the ASA and win. They advertise full HD but for tiny rooms on these affordable sets. To really benefit you need a much larger set typically 50-60 inches for most people - 3m-3.5m away from TV viewing.


So do it, lets see how far you can get. I bet you you will not get far with the money you do not have! LOL

So the advertisers are pushing BD disks and cheap, tiny HDTVs (and R25K can mean cheap) all the while boasting 5x the resolution of HD and immense improvements, charging R3500 for the cheapest BD player (which is region locked by the way, takes almost a minute to load the disk because of the DRM and accepts only HDCP connections).

Again to protect DMR's content for a valid and good reason. There are BD player far cheaper than that now and you know it.

2. Then there is the BS of the BD content protection and mandatory analog down sampling. I own a 720P award winning for best picture for that year, plasma set from a few years ago, which is not HDCP certified. I am unable to view HD content at 720P from Bluray disks because of stupid content protection blocking. Not that I would actually be able to discern the extra pixels if I sat the full 6m away.

So what are you crying about then, Its your eyes that need a doctor, not ours.

Again the HDCP and downsampling is specific for content protection. That means stopping people using media that they did not pay for, like downloading from the internet. You should have known before you wasted your money what you are buying. Some advice, Sell all those stuff you bought, pay your debts and with whats left see if you can afford something decent. If not tuff luck!

Other people with full HD rear projection sets, full HD projectors or even 720p projectors and earlier LCD HD sets with improper HDCP implementations are in the same boat.
They can go out and buy the HDFury dongle and view full HD over component cables that way but that's extra cost and something not officially supported by the BD consortium.

3. BD has terrible DRM. You are unable to format shift. Which is terribly bogus.
What's more you cannot BACKUP. Something the COPYRIGHT law gives you explicit permission to do IN SOUTH AFRICA and THE UNITED STATES (and elsewhere).

So all you want to do is copy the material? Where do you do backups ? On TBP? You also retrieve "backups" from there I presume!

So if you have young children - and they touch that highly dense Bluray disk, R300+ down the toilet.

BS!

4. Region Coding. OMG! Haven't they learned yet. We want to see films from around the world. I don't want to see stupid Hollywood schlock from Korea but I frequently enjoy and buy movies from France, Spain, Poland, England, Russia, Japan, Korea, Australia, Canada, Austria, Holland, Norway, Romania, Czech Rep, Brazil and many other places. I enjoy world cinema, I enjoy Cannes/Venice/Rome/etc winners and runner-ups, I enjoy anime, I enjoy foreign language stuff and even the occasional J-idol video.
Sadly the industry has given me the middle finger. While everyone but 2 of my DVD players are able to watch all regions (or came from the factory that way) the 2 which can't do it is one of my laptops and the stupid Samsung BD player. Neither can I watch BDs outside of Region B. Most of my DVD movies are Region 1, many are Region 2 Japan,
many are Region 3 and some Region 4 - but I am now locked out from a great variety of stuff I wouldn't mind watching in BD but I can't. I will need to import a region free BD player from HKFlix or buy a US or Japanese BD player.

The last 3 gripes are pretty specific, but are valid. They restrict choice and many other valuable things - freedom especially. Point 1 is paramount and is the main reason why BD is not really HD as you need binoculars or be Mr Rockefeller to really enjoy full HD.

Yeah, eat your heart out. I thought you are Rockefeller because you have 3 Big screen HD TV's and a blu Ray disk player with tiltles that are not fully HD. Yet you cannot enjoy it. What Sound system or receiver do you have? Probably also do not use it! Just sell it man. Your PC too then you will not post cr@p off topic when you should discuss on topic the following.

Blu-Ray gains ground

Yeah Blu Ray as the only HD optical media is gaining ground and the reason are there is nothing to compete. Thanks to SONY. Yes thank you Sony!

DRM and the rest have nothing to do with this topic. That is a personal PeterCH gripe against SONY. His untruths about the HD screen is for another mental reason unknown to all of us as he believes its the wrong equipment for this crisis economic times. You can see the HD v SD differences for yourself at any Makro or Game or HiFi corp. OR loan the equipment for 6 days and take it back if you do not want it! :D I believe Peter bought int the HD ready cr@p and are very upset about it. :D

The links Peter refers to is very clear. Its rather pointing out where you must sit to enjoy the benefits of the higher resolution. You do not buy the TV for the lounge. You buy the BEST TV you can afford. Preferable Full HD rather than size and arrange the seating accordingly. That simple. If you do have a very small TV room then you can actually buy smaller and do not need to waste. Thats it. I will surely not buy a HD TV for the toilet or Shack. But from 40 inch up in full HD and proper sound system you will enjoy the benefits for real.

Many members here stated after the HD TV transmissions and even upscaling they never wants to go back to SD. The same with BD, those that bought wisely and set it up correctly stated they can never watch a normal DVD again. Then sound did not even feature here. Neither did the extras like BD live come into this discussion. WHY? PeterCH think you are a fool and are trying to convince everyone here not to buy into HDTV, HD DVD and Blu Ray, What his real agenda or gripe is everybody wonders. He is also dishing Windows7 for exactly the same reasons. That I think its mostly his personal anti DRM agenda.

Nuff said, Again.

Peter please FFS get back on topic! Leave economy and the rest out of this discussion. This discussion is that Blu Ray is gaining. That means its becoming more popular as people get to grips with the new standards in HD content that is available today.
 
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Have you actually touched a bluray disk? I've reused my ps3 games over and over, and have bought quite a few 2nd/3rd/4th hand ones - I am yet to see a finger print or scratch on the disk.

I've also got a few of the same movies on Bluray and DVD, and I definitely notice the difference on a 46" LCD from about 3m away.

He cannot be convinced. Nobody knows what he sees? Maybe he needs new glasses or just a new forum. If he plonks all this posted junk on a HD DVD/Audio forum they will have his b@ls and dish it to the pigs. So he comes here to befuzzle those that do not know any better.

Just read between the lines. It all cames back to his DRM gripes and Region zoning. He "imports" all his DVD's why does he not just import a player from the same zone then. Pfft.
 
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