Boks vs NZ

[LancelotSA]

I'm still not convinced he's the best fullback defensively (I prefer Stefan Terreblanche) but as an attacking fullback we could do worse (Earl Rose anyone? ).

Now we are talking! ha ha but I do understand the fact that Stefan is getting on and we need to groom someone. Please just not Earl!

I have to admit that knowing that someone may possibly get a drop kick over from their own 10m line must be a little unsettling for the opposition. And I don't get it when the crowd boos or moans. As is often stated by the commentators even when he does miss it pushes the opposition back and they end up kicking the ball back to the Boks anyway. I know Morne can kick from far too but then that begs the question of whether we need two of those in the team.... rather work on Frans' accuracy...

 

[The_Techie]

Now we are talking! ha ha but I do understand the fact that Stefan is getting on and we need to groom someone. Please just not Earl!

I have to admit that knowing that someone may possibly get a drop kick over from their own 10m line must be a little unsettling for the opposition. And I don't get it when the crowd boos or moans. As is often stated by the commentators even when he does miss it pushes the opposition back and they end up kicking the ball back to the Boks anyway. I know Morne can kick from far too but then that begs the question of whether we need two of those in the team.... rather work on Frans' accuracy...

Again our views differ, I prefer a solid defensive fullback But I do understand your point, though you could argue that having two capable drop kickers on the field does limit the opposition's opportunities for attack (e.g one on the left side of the field, one on the right, where to kick?).

 

[Morgoth]

I am a bulls fan and I think Ruan played better

 

[milomak]

i believe in having a kicker before a playmaker flyhalf.

look back at the last lions series (the one where carel was coach). we didn't have a kicker flyhalf but i think in each game we scored more tries.

and we missed pretty easy kicks because we went with players with skill rather than having a kicker. Jenkins punished us for sure.

EDIT: To this day I still maintain, Mallet's streak was a result of Carel's work.

 

[Morgoth]

you need 1 good kicker in the team, but it doesn't have to be your flyhalf, we got Francois Steyn that can kick. Look at the Aussies, Laukem never kicked for goal but he was a damm good fly-half.

 

[killadoob]

you need 1 good kicker in the team, but it doesn't have to be your flyhalf, we got Francois Steyn that can kick. Look at the Aussies, Laukem never kicked for goal but he was a damm good fly-half.

That is fine but then stop GIVING THE DAMN BALL TO PIENAAR TOO KICK FOR GOAL, if that is not his strength.

Nobody is saying pienaar is not a good player but he misses far too many kicks, so stop asking him too kick it FFS.

If indeed he is the better player on the field then they are destroying his career by asking him too kick. We can see francious and morne are better kickers, so either leave the kicking too francious or play morne.

I still think morne needs a full game with our best team and this weekend i am hopeful gets the chance.

 

[LancelotSA]

I agree with the sentiments of rather working on a player that we already have and that has natural ability. Kicking can be taught. Flair and decision making ability is a natural talent. Percy started off with about a 60% success rate and ended his career at about 80%. He can do the same with Frans or Ruan!

 

[LancelotSA]

That is fine but then stop GIVING THE DAMN BALL TO PIENAAR TOO KICK FOR GOAL, if that is not his strength.

Nobody is saying pienaar is not a good player but he misses far too many kicks, so stop asking him too kick it FFS.

Well as least some sense is prevailing now! So Ruan is a good choice at flyhalf after all.

In saying that though the coaching staff must have some sort of statistics on kicking success rates... surely they must be under the impression that he can actually kick. And I am sure they know better than all of us....

 

[killadoob]

I do not agree than anyone can be taught too kick, you are either good at it or not good at it. It is very obvious to everyone that ruan is not our best kicker by a mile and you could spend 8 hours a day training him and he would not get better. That is called talent and everyone has the kicking talents of morne and francious and i think it is about time the coach realizes this because i do not understand what more pienaar needs to do to make anymore clear. You say work on a player but why not work on morne's game because he would offer more by working on him than pienaar because can kick very well

Nobody can kick 100% but some players have the ability to win games by kicking as morne has shown us and steyn, i cannot imagine pienaar winning a game by kicking because he misses so many, when he goes to kick even the easy ones i actually worry.

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

Now now killa, now you're just being ignorant .......... why does Morne spend so many hours with the Bulls kicking coach if it can't be taught? I remember through my school rugby career how we had 10 guys that sucked as a whatever until they were coached and we had 3 of the ten be brilliant whatevers

 

[killadoob]

I am not saying you cannot be taught to kick, anyone can be taught too kick you cannot teach talent though.

Are you telling me that pienaar spends no time practicing kicking? Then WTf is our kicker if no one has taught him anything? has morne been coached better? I mean i don't get why our sub kicker spends all day kicking but our main kicker has not been taught anything.

Practice makes perfect but you cannot practise pressure, composure, confidence. there is far more too being good at something than having someone teach you.

 

[LancelotSA]

I do not agree than anyone can be taught too kick, you are either good at it or not good at it.

So can you explain Percy's improvement over time....

You say work on a player but why not work on morne's game because he would offer more by working on him than pienaar because can kick very well

You are comparing teaching a person one thing - kicking - compared to attempting to get Morne to play a more physical game, learning to read play, create space for the player's outside, spot small holes next to rucks and mauls (like someone who has been scrumhalf does on instinct)

Nobody can kick 100% but some players have the ability to win games by kicking as morne has shown us and steyn, i cannot imagine pienaar winning a game by kicking because he misses so many, when he goes to kick even the easy ones i actually worry.

Well you clearly are not a Sharks fan then.... In one of his first games for the Sharks... Ruan lining up a conversion to win the match at King's Park (ABSA if you want) from up against the touchline and nailing it. Still clear in my mind... unfortunately just can't remember the opposition to give more detail.

 

[LancelotSA]

I am not saying you cannot be taught to kick, anyone can be taught too kick you cannot teach talent though.

Ha ha now you have almost repeated exactly what I said above!!!! Strange arguing when we agree!

Kicking can be taught. Flair and decision making ability is a natural talent.

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

It was the Crusaders .... and it put us in for a home semi.

 

[LancelotSA]

It was the Crusaders .... and it put us in for a home semi.

I knew it was a "fairly" important game... and kick!!

 

[killadoob]

That is my point, meph said anyone can be taught to be a kicker, i was just pointing out talent extends far beyond what you have been taught as you said.

Well i am sorry guys but your hero for the sharks is not performing and any player who does not perform will run the risk of being dropped. Missing all those kicks can lose us matches so like i said either get francious too kick or drop pienaar. If they stopped him kicking people would not say he should be replaced but he keeps messing up and you guys keep saying everyone has a bad game.

I will bet if pienaar was pushing for the place instead of morne and morne was missing all these kicks you would be calling for morne too be dropped.

 

[sjm]

I get the feeling that Ruan struggles with his kicks in the highvelt and kicks a lot better in Durban. He is a far better all round player than Morne, so I'd definitely start him in Durban

 

[Vrotappel]

Why can't anyone see past the fact that all Morne is good at (and very good) at kicking from wherever on the field ...... his other aspects of play are predictable and dodgy, be honest ffs.

Please get your Sharkie blinkers off.

O ja - mooi bokke!

 

[Vrotappel]

In fact he almost did it today with his shocking defence!

More sharkie blinkers.

There's no problem with Morne's defense when he plays with the bulls. The fact he is not PdV retard's first choice and is coached as such by PdV retard. Get rid of the retard is the first step to take.

 

[LancelotSA]

More sharkie blinkers.

There's no problem with Morne's defense when he plays with the bulls. The fact he is not PdV retard's first choice and is coached as such by PdV retard. Get rid of the retard is the first step to take.

Ha ha it is rather humorous when someone who clearly only every sees things through blue coloured glasses attempts to tell others that they are biased!

Funny that the retard PdV has now beaten the Lions and a test against the All Blacks... and in fact we were cruising it pretty comfortably until Ruan had to leave the field at half time.... I wonder what reason you give for that?

Please watch that Conrad Smith try again in slow motion.... that is suspect defence if ever there was! In fact watch the entire second half and keep an eye on Morne - I was as I wanted to be able to comment in fairness - and see how he never goes into a tackle with menace. He usually runs up to the person, puts a hand on them, or touches them and waits for someone else to do the tackling. Please watch it and see if I am wrong...