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Cius said:
Honestly not sure how that works but I think if you are shifting divisions they take that into account. Perhaps it is because he defended the IBO belt 5 times he got preferential treatment when moving up to heavy. I did note Usyk was pushing for a top shot right after moving up as well and struggled to get on the cards vs the top 5. Seems to definitely also depend on who you know or perhaps how much you pay them.
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This can happen depending on the assiociation, each alphabet group has their own rules that get more convoluted you look at them
Usyk became Joshuas mandatory after moving up to HW.
 
ShloshMalosh said:
This can happen depending on the assiociation, each alphabet group has their own rules that get more convoluted you look at them
Usyk became Joshuas mandatory after moving up to HW.
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Exactly, and yet still had a long wait. Reading the boxing manga Hajime no Ippo over the years there was one character that moved up several weight divisions and due to his status always moved directly up to challenge for the higher level belt. The boxer always wanted to just move up one level for each fight but the management team could not always organize that and forced him to defend the current title sometimes until a title fight could be secured. While it was a comic it was based on real boxing in Japan.
 
Cius said:
Exactly, and yet still had a long wait. Reading the boxing manga Hajime no Ippo over the years there was one character that moved up several weight divisions and due to his status always moved directly up to challenge for the higher level belt. The boxer always wanted to just move up one level for each fight but the management team could not always organize that and forced him to defend the current title sometimes until a title fight could be secured. While it was a comic it was based on real boxing in Japan.
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Sweet another Ippo fan! How do you like the manga? I really enjoy it!

Takamura's thing was more that he wanted to conqurer multiple weight classes for coach Kamogawa . 4, i think. And he didnt have lots of time to do it, so the rush was to find title fights, unify and move on. He talks about it alot.
He started at jr middleweight, became undisputed. Then MW, now currently super MW. I think cruiser weight will be his limit if we get there.

as for usyk... you are correct, he immediately received the right to challenge for the belt, but was always going to find his feet with at least one fight 1st. I dont think he wanted to do a 2nd but fought Chisora to 1. stay active, and 2. Chazz was a late replacement and he wanted to answer more questions. And also maybe some Eddie Hearn nonesense in there.

Him and Lomachenko are kind of exceptions because of their amature and olymic pedigree (both have +/- 400 amature fights each with loma only suffering one loss, and usyk 5 or so... thats insane).
I dont think viewers really appreciates what that means. But, there is no sense in them having fodder fights, they are olymic gold medalists. They were READY for title fights out the box.

Hence their "special" treatement... Thats the argument at least.
 
The Jam said:
Fury, what a crazy dude. Good end to his career, I'm just sorry the Joshua bout never happened. That was a solid uppercut. Whyte will have a pounding head for the next few days. Speedy recovery to him.
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Highly doubt he will stick with his "retirement" plans. A fight against the winner of Joshua Usyk II would be highly lucrative. Can't see him turning that down.
 
The Jam said:
Fury, what a crazy dude. Good end to his career, I'm just sorry the Joshua bout never happened. That was a solid uppercut. Whyte will have a pounding head for the next few days. Speedy recovery to him.
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Wrap in a "spoiler" next time.. I read the first sentence then fortunately stopped, nearly got the result before I watched. o_O

That said was a one side affair was hoping for more of a chess match or at least a brawl. Good fight in any event. Still wondering if it was reach or the size of the occasion that made it so one sided.
 
s0lar said:
Wrap in a "spoiler" next time.. I read the first sentence then fortunately stopped, nearly got the result before I watched. o_O

That said was a one side affair was hoping for more of a chess match or at least a brawl. Good fight in any event. Still wondering if it was reach or the size of the occasion that made it so one sided.
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Spoiler? For how long?
You should know better than to read this thread if you haven't watched the match ;)

And IMO it's a combination of reach and awkward style with Fury... All the time.

How was the end of that curtain raiser with the WWE move and the punching the guy while his back was to him? Useless ref.
 
I haven't watched heavy weight boxing in years but did last night.

The highlight for me was watching the out of sync miming of their entry track, as the boxers entered the arena.

Whyte was uncoordinated, slow, had a poor work rate and was unable to string together any meaningful combinations. I don't think he landed a single punch of any significance. He hit the canvass harder than he hit Tyson. Talk about a glass jaw?

I'm sorry but if this is the best boxing has to offer, I'm out.
 
sand_man said:
I haven't watched heavy weight boxing in years but did last night.

The highlight for me was watching the out of sync miming of their entry track, as the boxers entered the arena.

Whyte was uncoordinated, slow, had a poor work rate and was unable to string together any meaningful combinations. I don't think he landed a single punch of any significance. He hit the canvass harder than he hit Tyson. Talk about a glass jaw?

I'm sorry but if this is the best boxing has to offer, I'm out.
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They all look like that when fighting fury. He is as awkward as they come. Massively fast jab with hectic reach, but those fonebone pants... Entertainment all round lol

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I grew up in an era watching the likes of Marvin Hagler, Roberto Duran, Sugar Ray Leonard, Larry Holmes, Michael Spinks, Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis, Thomas Hearns, Frank Bruno, Evander Holyfield...

I'd sooner watch butterbean than the likes of Whyte and Fury.

Sorry, but it was utter rubbish.
 
sand_man said:
I grew up in an era watching the likes of Marvin Hagler, Roberto Duran, Sugar Ray Leonard, Larry Holmes, Michael Spinks, Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis, Thomas Hearns, Frank Bruno, Evander Holyfield...

I'd sooner watch butterbean than the likes of Whyte and Fury.

Sorry, but it was utter rubbish.
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I don't think Bruno belongs with the rest of those guys. :p
 
sand_man said:
You probably right. Let's replace him with Riddick Bowe.
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That reminds me. That was a great trilogy between him and Holyfield. Especially that first fight. Two highly skilled fighters giving it everything they had.
 
Vernon said:
I don't think Bruno belongs with the rest of those guys. :p
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Man, Bruno never gets the respect he deserves.

He is one of the heaviest hitting heavyweights of all time, with only 5 of his 45 fights going beyond half distance, stopping his opponent in 38 of his 40 wins. He was only ever taken full distance twice in 45 fights, with all of his his losses coming against reigning, former or future world champions..
 
thestaggy said:
Man, Bruno never gets the respect he deserves.

He is one of the heaviest hitting heavyweights of all time, with only 5 of his 45 fights going beyond half distance, stopping his opponent in 38 of his 40 wins. He was only ever taken full distance twice in 45 fights, with all of his his losses coming against reigning, former or future world champions..
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Heavy handed. He definitely packed quite a punch but he lacked athleticism and fluidity. He was very stiff, and towards the end of his career he bulked up significantly and became too musclebound.

He had a tendency to drop his hands when caught. No instinct whatsoever when hurt other than to just stand there frozen in the spot and ship punishment. But he was one of the bravest and most determined fighters of his era, he always came in shape and ready to fight (with the exception of the Tyson rematch), and his heart was never in question.

He was not "elite" level though, IMO. Certainly not in the conversation with the very top heavyweights of his era. The fact that he eventually captured a version of the world title says more about the proliferation of belts and dilution of their worth than about his abilities at world title level.
 
Vernon said:
Heavy handed. He definitely packed quite a punch but he lacked athleticism and fluidity. He was very stiff, and towards the end of his career he bulked up significantly and became too musclebound.

He had a tendency to drop his hands when caught. No instinct whatsoever when hurt other than to just stand there frozen in the spot and ship punishment. But he was one of the bravest and most determined fighters of his era, he always came in shape and ready to fight (with the exception of the Tyson rematch), and his heart was never in question.

He was not "elite" level though, IMO. Certainly not in the conversation with the very top heavyweights of his era. The fact that he eventually captured a version of the world title says more about the proliferation of belts and dilution of their worth than about his abilities at world title level.
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It was only the ''Big Three'' titles floating about for much of his career - IBF, WBC and WBA. Hardly a proliferation.

Also the small matter that between Tyson, Holyfield and Douglas, for 5 straight years all three belts were held by one boxer, so that limited title opportunities.

Of interest, in losses against Smith, Witherspoon and Lewis, he was leading on points. Tyson being the only fighter to have ever had the upper-hand over him all the way through, and he was also the first man to visibly wobble prime Tyson.

Seriously underappreciated and for a time the Great British Hope for a world heavyweight title before Lennox.
 
The Jam said:
Fury, what a crazy dude. Good end to his career, I'm just sorry the Joshua bout never happened. That was a solid uppercut. Whyte will have a pounding head for the next few days. Speedy recovery to him.
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Looked like a clip and then the push dropped him... ref should have called a foul and given him 5 mins.
 
s0lar said:
Wrap in a "spoiler" next time.. I read the first sentence then fortunately stopped, nearly got the result before I watched. o_O

That said was a one side affair was hoping for more of a chess match or at least a brawl. Good fight in any event. Still wondering if it was reach or the size of the occasion that made it so one sided.
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ja, some how didnt look like whyte came to win... he LITERALLY walked into that uppercut... if you're in range, you better throw something...
 
ShloshMalosh said:
Looked like a clip and then the push dropped him... ref should have called a foul and given him 5 mins.
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Saw it from different angles, it was a proper head banger. He did push him but the man couldn't walk afterwards, he was concussed.
 
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