C# .Net Developer

[^^vampire^^]

Ok i'm actually going to say something here....


Firstly the recruiter is the company themselves they are clear about that in the job spec. Secondly, you cannot assume that a person is dumb because they don't fully understand what it is you do every single day, IT is very very broad and it is IMPOSSIBLE for one person to understand absolutely everything about every single role underneath it so we (HR & recruitment professionals) rely on the IT professionals to ensure the information provided is 100% correct. Finally IF there is a job spec generator that recruiters use it was designed by an IT professional who clearly got it wrong.

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Lukestar my apologies for hijacking your thread.

So what you are trying to tell me is that it is not the job of the recruiter to do the recruitment job. I very much can conclude that this person is dumb along with you too as your point is completely invalid.

I don't know any recruiter that draws up the job specs, they come from the client and we work according to the information provided by them. I may be wrong but i've never come across it..

The above looks to me like two job specs not one, so maybe a bit of a copy and paste mistake?

As for getting that IT is a broad subject matter I don't know if you guys/girls really really do understand, on my board for this week I'm currently am recruiting:

Front End Developers
3 x C# Developers
3 x C++ Developers
Test Analysts
IT Manager
Infrastructure Engineer
E-Learning Consultant
Application Support

Each one of those positions have a very specific set of skills needed, lets say for example the E-Learning Consultant, I have never ever recruited that kind of candidate but my client gave me a good spec with a great briefing so I did understand, IF they had made a mistake on that spec I would never have known because its not something i've worked with.

My point being, don't assume that as recruiters we are dumb because we don't always see what you see, we are trying to understand a boatload of roles with very very different tech.. point it out yes by all means because that is how we learn and grow our skill set to help you when you are looking for new opportunities. No need to make us feel like we add no value, because I can promise you each one of us have added value to many people needing a job

I know the guys on SS helped me so much when I started recruiting in 2007.. trust me I made plenty of these mistakes in the beginning but with their help and guidance, I understand things a whole lot better now.

Like someone else mentioned, don't they proof read the spec? And yeah you may need to learn and grow but I'm fairly certain that 5 minutes of googling the individual mess would allow you to ascertain that these are 2 (maybe 5 who knows) different things completely. Hell even some simple logic would tell you this "spec" is an absolute ****-storm of differences.

And when did it become my job to educate you (or anyone else not employed by me or under me)? If you know nothing about electricity/electrical engineering would you become an electrician? How do you recruit for IT people if you know nothing about it? I'm sorry but your excuses sound very much like a new level of BEE styled incompetence. You educate yourself first and then you tackle the task/job, not **** it up all the way until you get it right (or don't).

Like someone else said, you just receive the spec from the company and then post it. How is anything you do add any benefit? Most recruiters just gather as many **** candidates as they can find until the company finally hires some only mildly retarded person that fits 10% of the spec.

 

[WhiteRaven]

So what you are trying to tell me is that it is not the job of the recruiter to do the recruitment job. I very much can conclude that this person is dumb along with you too as your point is completely invalid.

Are you trolling me... My point is everything but invalid, you focus on maybe a handful of tech, we work with tech that reaches across the whole of the IT world, MY POINT is that we look at IT as a whole and yes we may just miss something here and there because there is so much Tech out there.

Like someone else mentioned, don't they proof read the spec? And yeah you may need to learn and grow but I'm fairly certain that 5 minutes of googling the individual mess would allow you to ascertain that these are 2 (maybe 5 who knows) different things completely. Hell even some simple logic would tell you this "spec" is an absolute ****-storm of differences.

Yes Google is your friend, completely agree.

And when did it become my job to educate you (or anyone else not employed by me or under me)? If you know nothing about electricity/electrical engineering would you become an electrician? How do you recruit for IT people if you know nothing about it? I'm sorry but your excuses sound very much like a new level of BEE styled incompetence. You educate yourself first and then you tackle the task/job, not **** it up all the way until you get it right (or don't).

You've never had to ask for help I take it or had someone look at what you do and say hmm no thats not right but let me guide you a little..

And as for your electrical engineering example.. we not trying to become developers or technicians, we fill vacancies with people who are IT professionals.

Like someone else said, you just receive the spec from the company and then post it. How is anything you do add any benefit? Most recruiters just gather as many **** candidates as they can find until the company finally hires some only mildly retarded person that fits 10% of the spec.

Most recruiters.... not all... and if a company is working with a recruiter that sends them people who only fit 10% of the job spec.. why are you working with them?

 

[retromodcoza]

Reffering to OP here :

I have carefully read your original post given the comments made on the forum. Given what I have read , you are not qualified nor competent to be placing IT professionals.

I suspect you thought "Hey , IT people bring in large salaries , so why not place them and I can get a large placement fee!"
Unfortunately , those large placement fees come with knowing what you are doing. You don't.

Ignorance is no excuse. Spend a couple hours talking to developers and Googling and you would never have posted the job spec you did. You can't blame the client either. You should have guided them away from this hack of a job spec. But you couldn't.

This is a good opportunity to skill yourself up.
(Oh , And I read the edits. Still a crazy-cracker job post.)

 

[Johnatan56]

I have carefully read your original post given the comments made on the forum. Given what I have read , you are not qualified nor competent to be placing IT professionals.

I suspect you thought "Hey , IT people bring in large salaries , so why not place them and I can get a large placement fee!"
Unfortunately , those large placement fees come with knowing what you are doing. You don't.

Ignorance is no excuse. Spend a couple hours talking to developers and Googling and you would never have posted the job spec you did. You can't blame the client either. You should have guided them away from this hack of a job spec. But you couldn't.

This is a good opportunity to skill yourself up.
(Oh , And I read the edits. Still a crazy-cracker job post.)

+1

 

[WhiteRaven]

I have carefully read your original post given the comments made on the forum. Given what I have read , you are not qualified nor competent to be placing IT professionals.

I suspect you thought "Hey , IT people bring in large salaries , so why not place them and I can get a large placement fee!"
Unfortunately , those large placement fees come with knowing what you are doing. You don't.

Ignorance is no excuse. Spend a couple hours talking to developers and Googling and you would never have posted the job spec you did. You can't blame the client either. You should have guided them away from this hack of a job spec. But you couldn't.

This is a good opportunity to skill yourself up.
(Oh , And I read the edits. Still a crazy-cracker job post.)

I actually am very qualified and competent, I have 9 years experience as an IT Career Specialist and have placed from Junior A+, N+ Technicians to CIO, I really do know what i'm doing. My "rant" wasn't based on my skill set but rather trying to get you guys to understand that there are recruiters out there that do know a ton of stuff but it isn't possible to know all the tech. An assumption cannot be made that they are dumb because of it..

Myself, I use W3 Schools and complete the first level of training to understand the basics of what the candidate would need to do, listen to the likes of Hak5, Tekdaily, Leo Laporte etc. to try keep up to date with the world of tech...

Just a quick addition:

I don't proclaim to know all the Tech because its not possible, I do rely on my clients to provide me with a good brief and if something doesn't make sense I ask.

 

[DA-LION-619]

/grabs popcorn

 

[Hamster]

I have carefully read your original post given the comments made on the forum. Given what I have read , you are not qualified nor competent to be placing IT professionals.

I suspect you thought "Hey , IT people bring in large salaries , so why not place them and I can get a large placement fee!"
Unfortunately , those large placement fees come with knowing what you are doing. You don't.

Ignorance is no excuse. Spend a couple hours talking to developers and Googling and you would never have posted the job spec you did. You can't blame the client either. You should have guided them away from this hack of a job spec. But you couldn't.

This is a good opportunity to skill yourself up.
(Oh , And I read the edits. Still a crazy-cracker job post.)

1. I know her, she is qualified.

2. She didn't post the OP hack job. That was this guy:

No worries WhiteRaven - Great name by the way - to be honest I have been looking to resource Java and .NET Developers and thus left the Two tech stacks in the same JD.
Appreciate your back us up.
Regards

..and there is the problem.

 

[WhiteRaven]

1. I know her, she is qualified.

2. She didn't post the OP hack job. That was this guy:



..and there is the problem.

Thank you, you shall receive beer and bacon

 

[retromodcoza]

1. I know her, she is qualified.

2. She didn't post the OP hack job. That was this guy:



..and there is the problem.

Post disconnect. My bad. I have amended my post to refer to OP. But WhiteRaven , you should know that there is NO EXCUSE for the original post. At all. Ever

 

[Hamster]

Thank you, you shall receive beer and bacon

Make it a whiskey and we're square

 

[WhiteRaven]

Post disconnect. My bad. I have amended my post to refer to OP.

Thank you, I do understand the frustration with IT Professionals and why they don't want to deal with recruiters, hell i've had clients tell me they have a candidates c.v. who has never heard of the agency. I still feel though I was given loads of guidance and had candidates let me sit with them while they were coding etc. and learnt boatloads and all of those guys were on a forum, if a little more "that doesn't look right" compared to "you are an idiot" is given to them then the quality will be better?

 

[WhiteRaven]

JD or Devils Cut?

 

[retromodcoza]

JD or Devils Cut?

No. I don't get paid for being an ignorant idiot , you don't , and the original poster shouldn't.
We are not here to train people to make money. I'm all for helping some fellow along , but what we have is a lot of greedy recruiters looking to make quick cash with paper pushing skills.

You care about getting it right , which is why you learnt "boatloads" of stuff.
These recruiters don't care about learning. They care about profiting.

And they are dragging down an already difficult industry in the process.

 

[WhiteRaven]

No. I don't get paid for being an ignorant idiot , you don't , and the original poster shouldn't.
We are not here to train people to make money. I'm all for helping some fellow along , but what we have is a lot of greedy recruiters looking to make quick cash with paper pushing skills.

You care about getting it right , which is why you learnt "boatloads" of stuff.
These recruiters don't care about learning. They care about profiting.

And they are dragging down an already difficult industry in the process.

I honestly can't argue with the way you have stated this, I get it..

 

[Fuzzbox]

Also what the **** does LAMP have to do with C# development work?

Do you even know what LAMP stands for?

Its when the POWER goes out.!!!!!!!