Cell C blames Vodacom for network problems

[jannievanzyl]

The problem I have with a raw application of an NQ model where "Network quality is a function of investment over subscriber numbers" because it ignores the value of the investment - in essence an operator could spend 10 billion rand on the wrong overpriced technology (EDVO?) - whilst another operator could take a gamble on a particular technology which industry pundits are not pushing at the time and essentially secure a bargain for their consumers.

Depreciation of telecommunications assets is probably a useful starting point but lets face it accountants don't fully incorporate the technological shift that can occur and assets will depreciate without proper reference to software changes and revisions and that sort of thing.

A ECN operator who is investing sensibly all the time will inevitably have the best network.
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Didn't a particular fixed line network have a very high "investment to user" ratio with underwhelming network quality impair their assets (investment ratio) by 12 billion rand but I haven't seen an equivalent reduction in the quality of the network.

I did say it's simplistic. But it does show the relationship between number of sub, network quality and investment.

 

[MickeyD]

I did say it's simplistic. But it does show the relationship between number of sub, network quality and investment.

same wavelength?
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...nott-Craig?p=10792589&viewfull=1#post10792589

 

[Paul Hjul]

I am starting to get worried. Being on the same wavelength as the engineers is probably a bad sign on my sanity ....

My big hope is that the disruptive nature of new technology prevents any stagnation - which is why I ultimately root (non-Australian use) for CellC to build network infrastructure -> even if in the long term it takes a hit when subscriber numbers grow.

Looking over the industry history for ICT it is amazing how certain firms have resilience and even when they fall off a wagon bounce back while on a very basic level new guys can come in and by scrapping in with the disruptive effect of technology claw there way into significance - often to be bought out by the resilient bastards.

 

[Non]

You also could've made the assumption that if it was in the contract, Vodacom would do it.

But you immediately chose to assume Vodacom is in the wrong. Thus my question about your sources.

As you'll know from my posts, I get grumpy when people make assumptions (on ANY topic) and then make factual statements without substantiating them. There is a massive difference between making a seemingly factual statement and offering an opinion. Or just asking, which is always better if you do not actually know.

In any case, there are STRONG reasons why a roamer would NOT want automatic handover. Especially if your network is patchy and your customers spend more time on the (more expensive) roaming network than your own.

And you indicate that you don't actually know what's in the agreement yet you have a go at 'twats' as you call them who assume they do. Lol jannie... pot kettle and all.

All I know is that it's not in the agreements I were involved in.

At least we now know that you're not speaking officially on behalf of Vodacom but from and IMO perspective.

Jannie, I don't hate you, just stop calling people twats in a public forum.

 

[jannievanzyl]

And you indicate that you don't actually know what's in the agreement yet you have a go at 'twats' as you call them who assume they do. Lol jannie... pot kettle and all.
At least we now know that you're not speaking officially on behalf of Vodacom but from and IMO perspective.

Jannie, I don't hate you, just stop calling people twats in a public forum.

Happy to hear. Can I suggest you read the full thread as nearly everything you inferred is wrong. Including who is calling whom what.

Or maybe the subtleties of the posts went over your head?

 

[marine1]

And you indicate that you don't actually know what's in the agreement yet you have a go at 'twats' as you call them who assume they do. Lol jannie... pot kettle and all.
At least we now know that you're not speaking officially on behalf of Vodacom but from and IMO perspective.

Jannie, I don't hate you, just stop calling people twats in a public forum.

To be fair someone else called him a twat not the other way around.

 

[whatwhat]

Jannie, thanks for your input. It may be heated at times, but it is great that you contribute.

 

[Bern]

And you indicate that you don't actually know what's in the agreement yet you have a go at 'twats' as you call them who assume they do. Lol jannie... pot kettle and all.
At least we now know that you're not speaking officially on behalf of Vodacom but from and IMO perspective.

Jannie, I don't hate you, just stop calling people twats in a public forum.

Non I started it, I reacted a bit emotionally to some of JvZ's comments. Pls read the rest of the thread to put yourself in the picture.

WhatWhat, I concur - while I may get a bit angry and disagree with JvZ, I really do appreciate the fact that he contributes to the forum, sadly he is one of very few willing to actually put his name on the line.