Charting Fibre speed over time.

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Wait so is this a graph of his ping over 17 hours and CI's ping gets hinky during peak time?

Sigh, I thought fibre would get rid of this rubbish. As a gamer this is a huge bummer.
Well the irony is when we enable additional capacity it seems we are being routed via the incorrect cable system. This has only been happening the past few days. We are killing the burst and routing another path to better the latency. We are cancelling our current contract and moving our layer2 to London.
 

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Well the irony is when we enable additional capacity it seems we are being routed via the incorrect cable system. This has only been happening the past few days. We are killing the burst and routing another path to better the latency. We are cancelling our current contract and moving our layer2 to London.

Going to give you the benefit of the doubt just because of how active and open you seem to be on the forums here but this type of thing triggers my PTSD with a certain red ISP I used to be with :(
 

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Going to give you the benefit of the doubt just because of how active and open you seem to be on the forums here but this type of thing triggers my PTSD with a certain red ISP I used to be with :(
PTSD is the life of an ISP, I'd like to think honesty is the the point here.
 

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I don't trust any ISP. I want to see proof and the only why that is done is by showing data. No ISP including CI have shown me real data as to why things are the way it is. I have to do all my own test. We as consumers should not have to do that.
 

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Well the irony is when we enable additional capacity it seems we are being routed via the incorrect cable system. This has only been happening the past few days. We are killing the burst and routing another path to better the latency. We are cancelling our current contract and moving our layer2 to London.

How will moving layer2 to London affect performance? Not familiar so interested to know.
 

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I don't trust any ISP. I want to see proof and the only why that is done is by showing data. No ISP including CI have shown me real data as to why things are the way it is. I have to do all my own test. We as consumers should not have to do that.
Clearly not even when showing comparitive results where internal graphing doesn't match and then 3rd party customers don't match yet it's still the ISPs doing, I have sent the same graphs and so have other customers which provide skewed results on last miles?
 
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What does that mean ?
This means we have additional capacity in the evenings, when we require additional capacity it is being routed over eassy routes and not sat3 or wacs as it should. So every 3rd packet routes via eassy from what we can see.
 
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How will moving layer2 to London affect performance? Not familiar so interested to know.
So our layer 2 is split into 3 portions WACS, SAT3 and then burst capacity. Burst is proving to be a latency spike which is supposed to be via a WACS/SAT3 blend but it is causing latency spikes so we are moving these services.
 

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So our layer 2 is split into 3 portions WACS, SAT3 and then burst capacity. Burst is proving to be a latency spike which is supposed to be via a WACS/SAT3 blend but it is causing latency spikes so we are moving these services.

Oh ok I see. You say you have additional capacity when required? If that’s the case then why not just use the additional capacity in general. Wouldn’t that make performance for everyone better throughout the day instead of it being when required? Not sure if I’m talking rubbish here.
 

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Oh ok I see. You say you have additional capacity when required? If that’s the case then why not just use the additional capacity in general. Wouldn’t that make performance for everyone better throughout the day instead of it being when required? Not sure if I’m talking rubbish here.
So the way to get capacity cheaper is to buy from large business ISPs that use capacity during the day and not in the evening. Then leverage evening capacity when we require it. It's all about delivering capacity when you need to at the most cost effective rate. This portion is now an issue so we have dropped it and routing it via our IS capacity instead whilst we replace it. We have had this capacity for nearly a year without any issues.
 

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So the way to get capacity cheaper is to buy from large business ISPs that use capacity during the day and not in the evening. Then leverage evening capacity when we require it. It's all about delivering capacity when you need to at the most cost effective rate. This portion is now an issue so we have dropped it and routing it via our IS capacity instead whilst we replace it. We have had this capacity for nearly a year without any issues.

Ah ok, that makes sense.
 

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This means we have additional capacity in the evenings, when we require additional capacity it is being routed over eassy routes and not sat3 or wacs as it should. So every 3rd packet routes via eassy from what we can see.

So this is an ISP issue and not a carrier issue ?
 

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Clearly not even when showing comparitive results where internal graphing doesn't match and then 3rd party customers don't match yet it's still the ISPs doing, I have sent the same graphs and so have other customers which provide skewed results on last miles?

Paul sending me a chart that the sale is so that I can not see what is going on on it does not help me. I am not a CI client but in my testing the only company in all of this who really helped me was Openserve, they are not here to defend them selfs. They came to my house and did test.They gave me logs and ran test. I would agree with you if all ISPs had this issues. But VOX and Openserve test accounts don't. Logic tells me there is some issues between the ISP and carriers on the configuration side. But VOX seems to figured it out and don't have that issue. When I point out something or ask a question you have a lot of excuses and always point the finger at the carrier. The same way all the ISP do.
 

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Paul sending me a chart that the sale is so that I can not see what is going on on it does not help me. I am not a CI client but in my testing the only company in all of this who really helped me was Openserve, they are not here to defend them selfs. They came to my house and did test.They gave me logs and ran test. I would agree with you if all ISPs had this issues. But VOX and Openserve test accounts don't. Logic tells me there is some issues between the ISP and carriers on the configuration side. But VOX seems to figured it out and don't have that issue. When I point out something or ask a question you have a lot of excuses and always point the finger at the carrier. The same way all the ISP do.
Jaco, all I've provided graphs to match the time spans of your own. And at the same time other customers on other last miles have different results. I don't see how Openserve are the only ones that have assisted here, when I have been open about everything we get provided and pass this onto you? The configuration between OS and an ISP is a simple one, not something that can be mixed up between operators. We deal with more than 10 operators and OS is the most difficult, most expensive and least professional we have dealt with. You are welcome to give your opinion as am I having dealt with every operator. I have no reason to lie about anything.
 
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So this is an ISP issue and not a carrier issue ?
ISPs get capacity from carriers and decide how to manage them. We are having an issue with a particular carrier, this is very much normal. And we are adjusting the way traffic is routed to avoid said carrier whilst we change that route.
 

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ISPs get capacity from carriers and decide how to manage them. We are having an issue with a particular carrier, this is very much normal. And we are adjusting the way traffic is routed to avoid said carrier whilst we change that route.

carrier to my house ?
 

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Carrier to your house is OS?


hahahahahah I know that. I am asking is the issue I pointed out on my carrier to my house. No it is not. I pointed out you have an issue with your network. Most people don't know that. Yet you blame the carrier to the persons house. Those pings are not on my line. It is from 4 servers from around the world. So that is all your fault in this case and has nothing to do with OS to my house.
 
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hahahahahah I know that. I am asking is the issue I pointed out on my carrier to my house. No it is not. I pointed out you have an issue with your network. Most people don't know that. Yet you blame the carrier to the persons house. Those pings are not on my line. It is from 4 servers from around the world. So that is all your fault in this case and has nothing to do with OS to my house.
One out of 3 pings would route via an alternative path on our international routes, I will blame OS when local tests don't correlate to 2 sets of alternative graphs on local tests, And other 3rd party networks have different results at the same time. We seem to be jumping around what the issue seems to be here?
 
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