Cheaper 3G Prices - Rep?

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morkhans said:
2) If Vodacom looks at their data spend vs. income and they are not getting the margins they were expecting then the prices are not going to get cheaper.
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If the inverse is true would they reduce prices?
 
Keeper said:
Answer me this - is there really a difference between speed allocation and data allocation?

what I meant was:

A Person buying 2GB and sometimes getting 4GB - is that really different - to a person buying 1MB Uncapped and sometimes getting 2MB Uncapped ?
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If it's all the same to you then why change it?

You seem to have responded very selectively to my post no other excuses to justify your actions?

Antonf said:
If I follow this rather warped analogy I must send money to the traffic department every time I exceed the speed limit even though they don't have a Mobile or Fixed Revenue Collection System (speed trap) operating at the specific place...
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Hardly the same thing. The traffic department is not offering a service ;)

Antonf said:
If the inverse is true would they reduce prices?
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If by inverse you mean make more than they budgeted for? Then yes, I would hope so
 
Morkhans - whether you get more speed than paid for or more data, it's the same thing.

Many people have Neotel. Neotel claim the download speed is 450 – 900 kbps

- Are you telling me that a person who gets 1500kbps half the day, should report himself to neotel to "get it fixed", otherwise he is stealing, a fraud, and using the service illegally,
- But another person, who also pays the same R900 for this Uncapped service, gets 5 - 7kbps..... Neotel now just says sorry, we can't do anything to help you, the speeds aren't guaranteed.


So if we get crap speed, then sorry for you the speeds aren't guaranteed, but if we get better speeds, it's illegal? Are you smoking dagga or something?
 
Keeper said:
Morkhans - whether you get more speed than paid for or more data, it's the same thing.

Many people have Neotel. Neotel claim the download speed is 450 – 900 kbps

- Are you telling me that a person who gets 1500kbps half the day, should report himself to neotel to "get it fixed", otherwise he is stealing, a fraud, and using the service illegally,
- But another person, who also pays the same R900 for this Uncapped service, gets 5 - 7kbps..... Neotel now just says sorry, we can't do anything to help you, the speeds aren't guaranteed.


So if we get crap speed, then sorry for you the speeds aren't guaranteed, but if we get better speeds, it's illegal? Are you smoking dagga or something?
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Again why do you have to keep creating analogies to shift focus from the fact that you are knowingly exploiting a flaw in a system which is providing you with more data that you paid for. Speed is always a variable thing were data caps are much more clear cut.

You are using something that your are not entitled to and flaunting it in a public forum. Well done, it reveals a great deal about your moral fibre.
 
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just answer me morkans?

-would it be ok or not if you were told its 900 kbps, but somehow get 1500 ?
-and the same with the oak who only gets 5 - 7 kbps, is that also OK?
 
ocleroux said:
Guys I think you two will have to agree to disagree on this one.

You guys are starting to scare me. :)
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OK, will do that.

But I still say it is crap that ISPs can rip us off with extreme prices, like Neotel's R999 uncapped, and then say just "sorry" if the person gets 5 - 7kbps - yet if we get better speeds than advertised we are Thieves or Frauds
 
Keeper said:
just answer me morkans?

-would it be ok or not if you were told its 900 kbps, but somehow get 1500 ?
-and the same with the oak who only gets 5 - 7 kbps, is that also OK?
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Why should I entertain your sidetracked analogies when you don't show me the same curtsey by replying to my posts?

Your example is flawed because the speed (especially with wireless) always fluctuates. Obviously if as part of the service you are guaranteed a certain speed, but you cannot achieve it the ISP must rectify the problem or allow you to cancel the contract. That has nothing to do with what you are doing.

If you want a better example then take someone with a 4MB ADSL line who signs up for a capped 512K service. The systems in place are supposed to limit you to 512K, if for some reason he constantly gets 4MB instead of the 512K he signed up for then something is wrong and he getting more than he is entitled to. If everyone abused this flaw then suddenly the provider would have all his customers using the 512K service, but be accountable for 8 times that traffic to his upstream provider. Clearly this is unsustainable and they will go under.

Would you feel no shame in knowing you contributed to that?
 
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Keeper said:
OK, will do that.

But I still say it is crap that ISPs can rip us off with extreme prices, like Neotel's R999 uncapped, and then say just "sorry" if the person gets 5 - 7kbps - yet if we get better speeds than advertised we are Thieves or Frauds
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Two wrongs don't make a right. You cannot justify what you are doing by pointing the finger at the providers prices.
 
morkhans said:
Two wrongs don't make a right. You cannot justify what you are doing by pointing the finger at the providers prices.
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Forget the prices! one person gets below the promised speed and he can do buggerall about it, yet according to you if we somehow get above the speed it's illegal

it's a lose-lose situation, and a win-win for you ISPs.

Same with Bundles, we buy 2GB and use 2.5GBs - For this we get nailed with Ripoff OOB Prices.
Yet, if you only use 1GB you lose it. Sorry for you again.....
 
Keeper said:
Forget the prices! one person gets below the promised speed and he can do buggerall about it, yet according to you if we somehow get above the speed it's illegal

it's a lose-lose situation, and a win-win for you ISPs.

Same with Bundles, we buy 2GB and use 2.5GBs - For this we get nailed with Ripoff OOB Prices.
Yet, if you only use 1GB you lose it. Sorry for you again.....
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Again none of this justifies what you are doing, but keep believing it if you like.

And once again thanks for so selectively replying to my posts.
 
Are you asking me if I will have shame for an ISP going down because I could download 4Mbps instead of the 512kbps I paid for?


Nope - not if it was their systems that are buggered up, enabling me to download faster.

If they give me faster speeds, Sorry pal, but I am Gonna USE IT.
If they give me 5GB instead of my paid for 3GB, sorry ISP, this is for all the days you nailed me with OOB without telling me my bundle is finished.

If their systems are stuffed up that is THEIR problem, not mine.
 
Keeper said:
Are you asking me if I will have shame for an ISP going down because I could download 4Mbps instead of the 512kbps I paid for?


Nope - not if it was their systems that are buggered up, enabling me to download faster.

If they give me faster speeds, Sorry pal, but I am Gonna USE IT.
If they give me 5GB instead of my paid for 3GB, sorry ISP, this is for all the days you nailed me with OOB without telling me my bundle is finished.

If their systems are stuffed up that is THEIR problem, not mine.
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Thanks, it says a lot about you.
 
But let's leave this now, you think it's unfair to get more than I should, I think it's unfair to get less than I should (R200 a GB is unfair IMO)

So yeah - lets just move on. we cool?


All your Megabytes Are Belong to us!
 
Keeper...
You go ahead and rip the everliving junk out of these leech-companies.

They do nothing but steal from us night and day. Evil begets evil.

Give em their due, and if you can, give some more of it on my behalf as well.
 
wheunis said:
Keeper...
You go ahead and rip the everliving junk out of these leech-companies.
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lol, yeah, that's how you still feel on day 3, but a week later you are bored of it - don't know what to download
It's almost impossible to keep feeding links to the connection
 
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