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His stats do show a drop in form over the last few seasons... that average is not so good in recent times!

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 	                Mat  	Runs  	HS  	Bat Av  	100  	Wkts  	BBI  	Bowl Av  	5  	Ct  	St  	
season 1996/97  	4  	125  	31  	15.62  	0  	-  	-  	-  	-  	1  	0  	view innings
season 1997/98 		3 	98 	54 	19.60 	0 	- 	- 	- 	- 	2 	0 	view innings
season 1998/99 		7 	575 	211* 	52.27 	2 	- 	- 	- 	- 	6 	0 	view innings
season 1999/00 		7 	300 	85 	30.00 	0 	- 	- 	- 	- 	5 	0 	view innings
season 2000/01 		7 	465 	87 	42.27 	0 	- 	- 	- 	- 	5 	0 	view innings
season 2001/02 		10 	988 	196 	54.88 	4 	- 	- 	- 	- 	5 	0 	view innings
season 2002/03 		5 	518 	228 	86.33 	2 	- 	- 	- 	- 	5 	0 	view innings
season 2003 		7 	516 	183 	46.90 	2 	- 	- 	- 	- 	6 	0 	view innings
season 2003/04 		9 	1108 	192 	73.86 	3 	- 	- 	- 	- 	10 	0 	view innings
season 2004 		1 	4 	4 	2.00 	0 	- 	- 	- 	- 	0 	0 	view innings
season 2004/05 		10 	530 	161 	37.85 	1 	0 	- 	- 	0 	12 	0 	view innings
season 2005/06 		7 	372 	94 	26.57 	0 	- 	- 	- 	- 	11 	0 	view innings
season 2006 		2 	129 	92 	32.25 	0 	- 	- 	- 	- 	4 	0 	view innings
season 2006/07 		5 	215 	94 	26.87 	0 	- 	- 	- 	- 	13 	0 	view innings
season 2007/08 		6 	224 	63 	22.40 	0 	- 	- 	- 	- 	9 	0 	view innings
 
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LancelotSA said:
Unfortunately here you are wrong as Gibbs has always been considered a player of colour. But I agree that he has always shown his talent so there is no doubt he was always chosen based on this. In fact I think every player in the squad currently is there on merit... think Prince, think Amla.... and we all know what Ntini can do!
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None is there due to any reason but performance IMO ATM. It should stay like that. Anyway you just confirmed the obvious and what I stated to the poster claiming the alternate.

BTW Do you agree with the ANCYL that Mbeki is a coward? I do.
 
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Yeah he's battling.... I dunno, I dig him, always have, he plays the game with panache and charisma. He has shots that most players wouldn't have the audacity to attempt and he is the closest thing we currently have to Jonty in the field. I back him, I reckon he is going to make a come back...
 
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None is there due to any reason but performance IMO ATM. It should stay like that. Anyway you just confirmed the obvious and what I stated to the poster claiming the alternate.

BTW Do you agree with the ANCYL that Mbeki is a coward? I do.
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Your original post did seem to imply, if I understood it correctly, that you felt Gibbs was not a player of colour. I was correcting you on this.

As for your "BTW" this is not the thread for this type of discussion but I do feel, and you will not be surprised here I think, that everyone is innocent until proven guilty. A lot of us on here would do well to remember that this is also what the law says....
 
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Did anyone see the KP press conference this afternoon? I thought he said all the right things, for the most part. But he is a bloody plonker though, and that useless accent. There will be some interesting times in English cricket though, thats for sure.


On Gibbs... I think he is more there for what he has done in the past, and what he can do than actual form at the moment. But he has not played any real cricket recently, so can only really judge him after he plays iho.

I have enough respect for him to support his selection. And enough very fond memories (which outweigh the bad ones) of seeing him play live.
 
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Did anyone see the KP press conference this afternoon? I thought he said all the right things, for the most part. But he is a bloody plonker though, and that useless accent. There will be some interesting times in English cricket though, thats for sure.


On Gibbs... I think he is more there for what he has done in the past, and what he can do than actual form at the moment. But he has not played any real cricket recently, so can only really judge him after he plays iho.

I have enough respect for him to support his selection. And enough very fond memories (which outweigh the bad ones) of seeing him play live.
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I agree there. Heard a clip on the news and wondered what the hell that was. But then I knew some tw_t who went to America for three weeks and came back with an idiotic yank accent... some people feel the need to put it on to fit in!
 
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sandmanm34 said:
I think the quickest way to get a great player out of form is to make him captain. Condolences to KP. I think he is going to battle with the mantel of captain and savior of England cricket...
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Lol, true hey. Same thing happened to Flintoff. Not the brilliant player he once was. It seems KP has now taken over that roll.
 
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i have no personal gripe with gibbs. but for the last 2 or possibly 3 seasons i have been sayign he should be dropped. not rested. but dropped. yes he can put in a match winnign performamnce. but they are so far and few between these days that statistically he could be putting in match winning performances as much as the next guywho is not as talented as he is.

he should have been allowed to plunder the domestic scene to get his confidence a long time ago.
 
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sandmanm34 said:
I think the quickest way to get a great player out of form is to make him captain. Condolences to KP. I think he is going to battle with the mantel of captain and savior of England cricket...

As for Herschelle Gibbs he is probably one of the most talented and gifted cricketers this country has ever produced. It just a huge pity that his temprement hasn't been appropriately tempered...
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Which is why I reckon a captain shouldn't be a specialist batsman or bowler... maybe wickie since he sees every ball being bowled, or a balanced all-rounder...
 
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milomak said:
i have no personal gripe with gibbs. but for the last 2 or possibly 3 seasons i have been sayign he should be dropped. not rested. but dropped. yes he can put in a match winnign performamnce. but they are so far and few between these days that statistically he could be putting in match winning performances as much as the next guywho is not as talented as he is.

he should have been allowed to plunder the domestic scene to get his confidence a long time ago.
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he was dropped from the test team, which hurt him quite a lot, and hopefully it did kick him into gear, we will have to wait and see what he does in the ODI's.
 
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Which is why I reckon a captain shouldn't be a specialist batsman or bowler... maybe wickie since he sees every ball being bowled, or a balanced all-rounder...
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but then the wickie could start dropping catches and missing stumpings when he loses form. it doesn't matter much what the captain is a specialist at. what is more important is whether the person has the temperament.
 
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milomak said:
but then the wickie could start dropping catches and missing stumpings when he loses form. it doesn't matter much what the captain is a specialist at. what is more important is whether the person has the temperament.
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Point in case:

Ponting = specialist bat
Flemming = Specialist bat

Those were probably the two best captains in recent times.
 
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Point in case:

Ponting = specialist bat
Flemming = Specialist bat

Those were probably the two best captains in recent times.
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It's difficult for guy like Kumble.

If they want to play only one spinner, they have to leave the Turbanator out, even if he's bowling better.
And he usually is.
 
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It's difficult for guy like Kumble.

If they want to play only one spinner, they have to leave the Turbanator out, even if he's bowling better.
And he usually is.
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but it will be difficult for any captain if they are not performing based on why they were orginally selected for the team. be it keeper, batsman or bowler.
 
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My view.... the one person that will battle as captain is a specialist bowler. When you are bowling you are caught up in the moment. To then also have to think about fielding positions and move players around while walking back to your mark will not work. You need to be thinking about the next ball you are bowling and let someone else worry about everything else. Also when you are between overs, you want to be put away on the boundary somewhere to catch you breath and refocus for the next over. You don't want to be in the heat of the moment all the time.

If you are a batsmen there is not much to think about when your team is fielding besides fielding positions and strategies. You have time on your hands between balls. You also do not have the catch 22 of whether to bowl yourself or not. You are there to delegate. When you are batting it is all about you anyway. You do not have to worry about what anyone else is doing. And then when you are out you have lots of time to sit in the stands and ponder what your next step should be as a team.
 
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^I agree.In fact i can't think of 1 specialist bowler who ever was a captain;oh wait, Pollock...
 
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