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Firstly...hasn't one a series in India, lost the Ashes in 2005 and lost to SA in Aus, plus numerous petulant transgressions...badgering umpires, altercation at podium with senior Indian official, poor control of spirit of game at SCG against India plus the previous misdemeanours.

However...its his general whinging and sulking when things don't go to plan which is obvious body language, and not leadership stuff in crisis...plus his inability to use bowlers at the right times.

Oh...plus losing the last series in India because he was too concerned about over rates rather than bowling India out.

Australia do have a better captain...he is finally in the team and currently in partnership with Ponting.
 
OzzieCapie said:
Firstly...hasn't one a series in India, lost the Ashes in 2005 and lost to SA in Aus, plus numerous petulant transgressions...badgering umpires, altercation at podium with senior Indian official, poor control of spirit of game at SCG against India plus the previous misdemeanours.

However...its his general whinging and sulking when things don't go to plan which is obvious body language, and not leadership stuff in crisis...plus his inability to use bowlers at the right times.

Oh...plus losing the last series in India because he was too concerned about over rates rather than bowling India out.

Australia do have a better captain...he is finally in the team and currently in partnership with Ponting.
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I one a series in india tooo!
 
Funny you only mention the bad stuff, why not show us the good he has done and then compare instead of just the bad stuff and losing in india is hardly bad, its expected.
 
OzzieCapie said:
Firstly...hasn't one a series in India, lost the Ashes in 2005 and lost to SA in Aus, plus numerous petulant transgressions...badgering umpires, altercation at podium with senior Indian official, poor control of spirit of game at SCG against India plus the previous misdemeanours.

However...its his general whinging and sulking when things don't go to plan which is obvious body language, and not leadership stuff in crisis...plus his inability to use bowlers at the right times.

Oh...plus losing the last series in India because he was too concerned about over rates rather than bowling India out.

Australia do have a better captain...he is finally in the team and currently in partnership with Ponting.
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He was injured in India, Gilchrist took over and they won the series.
 
I don't recall any SA captain who won a series in India, Cronje and smith both tied it the last Aussie captain to beat them was Steve Waugh, who I regard as my no1 captain in any team.

Ricky beat SA in SA though with a **** team. My test : If he can walk into any team in the world and get the captain spot then he has to be the best one. I bet the only team that might not want Ponting would be Australia at times.
 
* Most victories as ODI captain: 122
* Highest victory rate as ODI captain in more than 20 matches: 75.74%
* Most Cricket World Cup victories as captain: 2
* Most Cricket World Cups won as captain: 2, shared with Clive Lloyd
* Most consecutive Test victories won as captain: 16, shared with Steve Waugh


I would say that is a pretty impressive record and i cannot see how anybody could see otherwise.

Nope alf is quite correct they did beat the indians :).
 
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killadoob said:
* Most victories as ODI captain: 122
* Highest victory rate as ODI captain in more than 20 matches: 75.74%
* Most Cricket World Cup victories as captain: 2
* Most Cricket World Cups won as captain: 2, shared with Clive Lloyd
* Most consecutive Test victories won as captain: 16, shared with Steve Waugh


I would say that is a pretty impressive record and i cannot see how anybody could see otherwise.

India won the series, no draw no aussie lose, india won it if we are talking about the same series of course.
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Show me the stats of Clive Lloyd, Suaruv Ganguly and Steve Waugh please, they would top my list of good captains, it would be nice to compare
 
Morgoth said:
they tied afaik?
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This is the one I'm referring to.

1st Test: India v Australia at Bangalore - Oct 6-10, 2004
Australia won by 217 runs
Australia 474 and 228; India 246 and 239

2nd Test: India v Australia at Chennai - Oct 14-18, 2004
Match drawn
Australia 235 and 369; India 376 and 19/0

3rd Test: India v Australia at Nagpur - Oct 26-29, 2004
Australia won by 342 runs
Australia 398 and 329/5d; India 185 and 200

4th Test: India v Australia at Mumbai - Nov 3-5, 2004
India won by 13 runs
India 104 and 205; Australia 203 and 93
 
Morgoth said:
Show me the stats of Clive Lloyd, Suaruv Ganguly and Steve Waugh please, they would top my list of good captains, it would be nice to compare
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Those are records he holds.

Those are not stats but records. Meaning ganguly waugh lloyd cannot could not beat em.
 
killadoob said:
* Most victories as ODI captain: 122
* Highest victory rate as ODI captain in more than 20 matches: 75.74%
* Most Cricket World Cup victories as captain: 2
* Most Cricket World Cups won as captain: 2, shared with Clive Lloyd
* Most consecutive Test victories won as captain: 16, shared with Steve Waugh


I would say that is a pretty impressive record and i cannot see how anybody could see otherwise.

Nope alf is quite correct they did beat the indians :).
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How many of those victories were achieved without warne and mcgrath.;) Ponting is a great batsmen but as a captain he lacks at times but that's been hidden by having warne,mcgrath,hayden and gillchrist there to help him. Everyone knows the reason he got the captaincy is because they couldn't give it to warne because of his of the field antics. Had it not been for that ponting would never have been captain.
 
stefan9 said:
How many of those victories were achieved without warne and mcgrath.;) Ponting is a great batsmen but as a captain he lacks at times but that's been hidden by having warne,mcgrath,hayden and gillchrist there to help him. Everyone knows the reason he got the captaincy is because they couldn't give it to warne because of his of the field antics. Had it not been for that ponting would never have been captain.
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He was pretty impressive here with a 2nd rate Aussie team.
I'm not a fan, and he's no Mike Brearley, but he's really not bad at all.

He's got another 100 today, so in form with the bat again.
 
stefan9 said:
How many of those victories were achieved without warne and mcgrath.;) Ponting is a great batsmen but as a captain he lacks at times but that's been hidden by having warne,mcgrath,hayden and gillchrist there to help him. Everyone knows the reason he got the captaincy is because they couldn't give it to warne because of his of the field antics. Had it not been for that ponting would never have been captain.
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Well i think he has done very well with poorish aussie team he has had in last year or 2.

Like i said you can be the best captain in the world but without the talent you will fail. There is not much more ponting can do than what he is and until the aussies come out of recession it will make him look bad when it's just a lack of quality more than bad captaincy.
 
Remember a big factor, if not the biggest, in their home loss to SA this year was the captaincy...not only on the field, but the motivation and way the team approached it.
As a unit the Proteas played much better and a large part of that was the captain.

Sorry...but sometimes Ponting is just a sulker, whinger etc and not the sort of stuff you are inspired by from a leader, notwithsatnding any individual and technical skills he may have.

As for the players at disposal...the major difference is the retirement of warne (and btw yes he would have been the preferred captain and may have played a lot longer).

The Aussies have tremendous depth in players...of all sports, cricket is the national sport of this country- and that's not the case in all the countries it plays against. Probably 90% of boys play it formally at some stage, then excellent grade (club) system and strong state and institute of sports etc.

So the players are there just as they always have been...Warne was an exception in spinning ranks, they have historically never depended on spin.

Ponting is very much influential in who he wants in team...he lobbied hard for Symonds...just as he has duds in team now due to his wishes....Watson (a man with bone density of chalk and muscles of paper), Hauritz, MacDonald (Ronald would be scarier) etc etc.

Anyway they are still performing well ...the captain and the one who should have been are batting well.

cheers
 
Please show me warne's replacement, gillies replacement, hayden's and mcgrath's replacement.

I do not think it is only me who can see the aussies have a serious lacked of super stars in their team who can do the job.

Anyways it does not matter ponting will be captain for a long time, you also don't mention he then came here and won the test series nor do you mention for the most part in the aus test series we looked like losing the 2 games we won.
 
killadoob said:
Please show me warne's replacement, gillies replacement, hayden's and mcgrath's replacement.

I do not think it is only me who can see the aussies have a serious lacked of super stars in their team who can do the job.

Anyways it does not matter ponting will be captain for a long time, you also don't mention he then came here and won the test series nor do you mention for the most part in the aus test series we looked like losing the 2 games we won.
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But we did win those games...

Sure, there're no direct replacements for warne etc, but you're underestimating the current Australians - Hughes, Johnson and Haddin would walk into most national teams, even Hauritz did alright yesterday*.

But that's the thing, Ponting has had a team of superstars. Whenever Australia was in trouble, one of those guys could produce somethign extraordinary to rescue the game.

Now that he has a team of merely gifted mortals, he's looking a lot more ordinary as captain.

*I'm not for a second suggesting that these players are replacements for Hayden, McGrath, Gilchrist or Warne - but they have taken their places.
 
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