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Orihalcon

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Ta. Thanks DJ...

Personally don't care about the portals being down - took all of 3minutes to get things sorted with usage mails which keep me posted - and looking forward to the improved portals.

As long as you guys just keep making improvements - like the home capped accounts hehe - I'll be sticking around for a long time.

Always appreciate the openness and honestly. Trigger words be damned.
 

Crystal Web Support

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Been having latency issues for some time now.

Tracing route to telkom.co.za [196.43.22.222]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms 1 ms home.gateway.home.gateway [192.168.1.254]
2 387 ms 403 ms 386 ms 196-210-150-1.dynamic.isadsl.co.za [196.210.150.
1]
3 252 ms 230 ms 235 ms cdsl1-ctn-vl2173.ip.isnet.net [196.38.72.113]
4 341 ms 345 ms 379 ms 196.35.115.128
5 383 ms 332 ms 345 ms mi-za-cpt-p8-te0-7-0-0.ip.isnet.net [168.209.2.1
3]
6 308 ms 306 ms 307 ms 168.209.2.130
7 350 ms 355 ms 384 ms 196.25.247.25
8 366 ms 362 ms 331 ms 196.43.25.205
9 386 ms 362 ms 397 ms 196.43.39.162
10 364 ms 358 ms 344 ms rrba-ip-bssr-1-ge-2-48.telkom-ipnet.co.za [196.4
3.23.6]
11 519 ms 515 ms 495 ms nbsc-ip-bssr-2-atm-5-0-0-1.telkom-ipnet.co.za [1
96.43.23.34]
12 520 ms 508 ms 454 ms nbsc-ip-rcache-1-vif0.telkom-ipnet.co.za [196.43
.22.222]

Trace complete.

After doing some investigating, Your DSLAM ATM links are currently provisioned at 50mbps, As you can see in the graph below for your DSLAM, It's hitting that limit most of the time:

image12.jpg

This will require either Telkom to Upgrade the links to Metro Ethernet, Or if possible, they may be able to increase the ATM provisioning limits.
 

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After doing some investigating, Your DSLAM ATM links are currently provisioned at 50mbps, As you can see in the graph below for your DSLAM, It's hitting that limit most of the time:

View attachment 241158

This will require either Telkom to Upgrade the links to Metro Ethernet, Or if possible, they may be able to increase the ATM provisioning limits.

Thanks.

And to translate into English for the network-slang impaired:

The links (cables/pipes) that send data out from your exchange to ISPs is provisioned with too little capacity for the demand in the area, meaning packets queue up at the exchange before being sent/received, hence the increased latency you are seeing. This is what congestion looks like at exchanges.

This, contrary to popular opinion, affects both latency and speed due to operating system and server side receive window size scaling. Which when translated means the bandwidth limits (maximum speed you can achieve on a connection) is severely limited with increased latency like this due to the way packets are received and acknowledged, and the number of unacknowledged packets allowed (in very basic layman terms). You find dropped packets cause an OS to halve a receive window buffer meaning maximum throughput possible is limited - once this limit decreases below your connection speed you notice speed drops. With increased latency, the BDP (bandwidth delay product) decreases and therefore so do speeds. This is also why international connections are always slower over TCP protocols due to the increase in latency to get across the other side of the planet and the higher chance of a dropped packet. It's also why dropped packets on other servers cause your connection to grind to a halt sometimes and why a slight increase in latency, especially to international destinations, causes immediate slowdowns in speed, and a long time to recover from it. Locally it's less of an issue, however the moment you go over a certain threshold it will certainly become a problem.

Let me illustrate with a quick chart:

9QipqNY.png


Basically what this shows is that on Windows operating systems where the RWINN value is in a default restricted state (which helps prevent against some packet loss) your latency will affect your speeds as above. i.e if your latency to the server is around 120ms your theoretical maximum speed is around 2Mbps. Many installations of Windows though allow for scaling to 1GB buffer size. Now this sounds great in theory because it means that 120ms latency still means a theoretical maximum Mbps throughput of around 62Mbps, however a single dropped packet will halve the buffer size each time on the operating system. In turn halving the maximum speed attainable. So 2 dropped packets on a 120ms latency connection will reduce the maximum attainable throughput to around 15Mbps. Now imagine dropping 3% of packets (at your exchange for example which is why we ask for mtr data to analyse packet loss) and you can imagine how this impacts your connection. It's huge. If you're sending thousands of packets per second, and just 1% of them are dropping, in theory and reality your buffer size reduces on the connection and the maximum attainable throughput (now dictated by your latency) comes in to play and will impact on the connection.

So this is why, although it can be tedious and we're working on a better solution, we always try to look at the mtr data in a live environment when issues arise to ascertain what the possible issue may be.

Hope that helps...someone...
 
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wickwack0

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Ok i see the problem now. Thanks for your help so far :)
How can I best approach Telkom to have these issues addressed, as this is not specific to my line?
 

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Ok i see the problem now. Thanks for your help so far :)
How can I best approach Telkom to have these issues addressed, as this is not specific to my line?

Already have contacted the necessary Teams/Departments at Telkom in order to see if we can do something about this ;)
 

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Already have contacted the necessary Teams/Departments at Telkom in order to see if we can do something about this ;)

If I move my ADSL line to you guys can you do this for me as well? I have issues with EC (high latency/packet loss) during "peak" times.

If any change will be made it needs to be made relatively soon as I'll only be in Durban for about 4-5 more months till my studies are complete.
 

Mephisto_Helix

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Reset the router and both accounts are fine again, that was super odd. Glad it was just some hiccup :)
 

HecticZA

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Reset the router and both accounts are fine again, that was super odd. Glad it was just some hiccup :)
Do you have an AH free account.
My account is active, slow as a government department, but alive. I've been trying to download a PS4 game since about 16:00 this afternoon. It is 2.9GB, but only downloaded about 1.2GB since then and it shows 10 hours left.

This is on a 4 Mbps Premium uncapped account.

Edit:

See you got it going.
 

lestoran

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I'm pretty impressed right now. Downloaded from Usenet at 21Mb (yes twenty-one megabits) last night. Queued 4 pretty large linux distros and they all came down in under 2 hours.

Streaming from Netflix has also been good with hardly any quality drops. I'll test browsing/downloading this weekend.

But whatever you guys are doing with the new profiles keep it up and you'll have a happy customer in me for a long time :)
 

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Do you have an AH free account.
My account is active, slow as a government department, but alive. I've been trying to download a PS4 game since about 16:00 this afternoon. It is 2.9GB, but only downloaded about 1.2GB since then and it shows 10 hours left.

This is on a 4 Mbps Premium uncapped account.

Edit:

See you got it going.

Can you PM me your details and I can try to see if I can spot anything odd for you.
 
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