Data rollover on all contracts?

OMW the free ride and reselling of "already paid for services and data" is near IF this is true and ICASSA have the b@lls to make it stick. Unfortunately TELKOM will spell it out to their real shareholders and bosses (government/Mp's and their law makers) that they will loose a significant portion of their return of "Investments" so this will be reviewed and chucked in the thrash can to be filed in a garbage dump.
 
According to one legal expert one will need to “carefully consider the difference between a service for a set amount of data and a service which imposes a maximum usage cap” when trying to see whether this section applies to a data service.

He added that while such a clause is welcome and will ensure that consumers get what they pay for, it is a clear case where the interests of service providers and consumers don’t overlap. He further expects that this clause will be strongly opposed by service providers.

Like we didn't know that companies love to shaft SA consumers. Good news for us though.
 
I may add that I have been told that the chance that this code of conduct will be finalised in their current form is highly unlikely. I think we can expect massive resistance to this document from numerous service providers.
 
I may add that I have been told that the chance that this code of conduct will be finalised in their current form is highly unlikely. I think we can expect massive resistance to this document from numerous service providers.

As expected.
 
Whatever consumers may imagine bundles and caps to be, ICASA has yet again come up with a very blunt instrument that may put all current broadband services at risk, and could lead to price increases, rather than benefiting consumers. Fortunately, it's unlikely to make it all the way through the regulatory process in its current form.

If, as some legal experts are suggesting, the regulation is referring only to services sold explicitly as bundles (along the lines of prepaid data bundles, or prepaid electricity), then the approach appears fair (although even this will be challenged by most service providers who intend to remain in business).

However, if the expectation is that this logic extends to all contracts that have caps or bundled services of any kind e.g. a data cap per month, or free call minutes per month, then there is a very real danger that it could undermine the whole tariffing model, and force the industry back to old-fashioned usage billing for everything.

Monthly bundles and caps create a great deal of certainty for both the consumer and the provider - a fixed amount can be budgeted by both, as a cost for the one, and revenue for the other. In the case of broadband services, caps are also typically used as a means of controlling the load on the network - either on the access network, which is a finite resource, especially if radio - or on other parts of the network, such as international, where costs are high, and are shared across all users.

The regulation seems to suggest that any cap or bundle is something that has been sold to the customer, rather than a commercial mechanism to create fair, flat-rated pricing, and a technical mechanism to ensure fair use of the network. (Note that I'm not commenting here on whether the actual prices charged in South Africa are good or bad, just the logic of having different prices for different caps and bundles that do not have an unlimited lifespan.)

Purely in an accounting sense, any attempt to force a service provider to add up all the "unused" data in monthly bundles or caps, and roll this over forever (or pay it out in cash at the end of the contract?), creates a liability for the company that could grow rapidly and exponentially until the service provider is technically bankrupt. It's even more obvious how this will happen where there are real costs involved (e.g. interconnection fees per call), where service providers estimate their costs based on typical monthly usage, and are able to determine a maximum liability. In practice, of course, auditors would simply insist that any contracts that carry high potential future liabilities like this be cancelled, or that services with such contracts be withdrawn from the market.

As there are also practical, technical reasons why caps exist to protect the network, this approach would undermine this control mechanism, and force providers to limit usage in some other way e.g. charge per usage from the first Byte, and avoid any rollover whatsoever. Worse still, service providers may have to apply shaping to all services for the same purpose.

I'm sure ICASA thinks it's being a consumer champion with this approach, but what it's really doing is limiting the options for charging mechanisms for service providers, and hence limiting the opportunity for real competition in the market. The logical conclusion of this kind of approach is that ICASA should simply set the pricing structure and prices of all services, rapidly reducing competition (and the number of service providers) to zero (OK, maybe one service provider, but government-owned, with matching service levels).
 
They'll find a way around it.

Aren't we all supposed to have free uncapped local, according to some deranged lunatic at ICASA?
 
Aren't we all supposed to have free uncapped local, according to some deranged lunatic at ICASA?

I'm not sure about that. Iirc, Telkom not capping local (and charging R15/gig:mad:) has something to do with a regulation.
 
long speech

Dude, if I pay R149 for a 3GB telkom bundle and i don't use it for 3 months, telkom still gets R149 a month and won't go bankrupt. In the 4th month I can use then download some stuff for 9GB and if that breaks the network then they have a poor network, because not everyone is going to try the same thing at the same time, it's gonna be spread ofer diffirent months.

Actually the suppliers loose money since I don't want to spend money on a system where it will just expire becuase I don't use it often, so vodacom has no steady icome from me, because I will only use the service once every few month and thus thye rest of the time I ain't buying prepaid bandwidth.

You know its not like providers buy a 20 000GB cap and then deals it out for the rest of use in pieces for a higher price, so its not like they willl be loosing money when we use the data a few times a year instead of use it up every month.

The only thing i can agree on is that one shouldn't get monetary reinbursment for unused data if cancelling the contract, just use it up and cancel.

Please apply some logic next time and think further...
 
If the money I pay Vodacom for a data bundle doesn't have a sell by, best before or expiry date on it, why should the data bundle have such a thing on it?
 
If the money I pay Vodacom for a data bundle doesn't have a sell by, best before or expiry date on it, why should the data bundle have such a thing on it?

Kind of a lame argument. The money I paid for the fish I bought 3 months ago didn't have an expiry date either:erm:
 
Give everybody uncapped, then you don't have to worry about units carring over.
Rather manage the network by line speed than usage.
 
so my free uncapped local will roll over? By month 3 I will have infinity * 6 cap!!

w00t.
 
Expect a new type of product to hit the market: "Uncapped with a fair usage policy"

For R29 a month, you get Uncapped ADSL from Afrihost, with a 1GB fair usage policy. You cannot use more than 1GB on this account, but since it is uncapped there is nothing to roll over....

:D
 
I wonder it will work if the rolled-over data had a half-life of 30 days. Eg. If I brough 1GB and didn't use it, then it is reduced to 500MB the next month. But then the data will (almost) never expire, a 1GB will take 10 months to become 1MB.
 
Monthly bundles and caps create a great deal of certainty for both the consumer and the provider - a fixed amount can be budgeted by both, as a cost for the one, and revenue for the other.

The only thing important to me is to know that I have the bandwidth I paid for available. Why must I worry that I will not use up that which I allready paid for? The service providers want the benefit of the money that has been paid for the product and the return of the unused part. Pretty much sounds like stealing from the consumer and also having the ability to tell the consumer what is good for them and how they should pace themselves.

I just know that the service providers never need to by vaseline.
 
So this is for all the adsl accounts?? that sounds really frikken unbelievable....
 
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