Depression.

Swa said:
Yeah our medicines control council should get their heads out of their arses. 500IU are for babies.

FYI my severe depression is 90% better since taking Vitamin D. But it has to be high dose. The pharmaceutical companies controlling our health care just won't acknowledge that having optimal levels takes care of a lot of ailments. After all why should they when everyone can just pop a patented pill to "cure" [-]symptoms[/-] ailments.
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Yeah, there was something else they decided to take away from the rack and you now have to ask for it. Thik it was seratonin. But you can use all the useless weg gloss crapp all you want. I'm not one for conspiracies but with pharmaceuticals I'm starting to wonder
// tinfoil hat moment :D
copacetic said:
I eat fairly well, and while I am not going to get into an argument about vitamins, I went to the chemist a couple months ago with persistent sores around the corners of my mouth. When I asked what might help they said 'vitamin supplement'.

I was pretty skeptical, and presto! Within a week, totally cleared up.

My point is that multivitamins are not a scam - They can assist if you are lacking in something. I'm sure there are certain vitamins which are not best taken in that form, or don't work at all (I've no idea), but they can certainly have an effect.

I'm all for eating all your vitamins if you can, but I doubt many people can manage that exclusively.
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Our food just ain't what it used to be. I was sceptical about hippy drugs ( :twisted: vitamins ) but since I have been diagnosed with high cholesterol ( the type I inherited ) I have been managing it successfully with hippy drugs.

And I hate taking my anti Emo pills, it takes my creativity away completely, I don't see why I shouldn't try something like vita D if it doesn't work I haven't lost anything.

Exercise is my current coping mechanism.
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ugh im not getting into this argument. First dislipidemia then diabetes now depression.

Take it from killadoob if not from me, Vitamins and minerals are building blocks. They do not cure a thing (apart from dietary related pathologies like scurvy). You dont need expensive multivitamins you need a couple of fruit a day its cheaper.

Over doing it with vitamins creates expensive urine and poo :p nothing else.

Acute depression is different from chronic depression, the fact that you think a simple vitamin (which they will get considering the african sun) will cure or aid them is something else.

Chronic depressed people aren't depressed ALL the time. It comes in waves, sometimes these episodes can last years or they can last hours. There is a serious problem with the neurotransmitter levels in their brains be it causative or just random. The medicines block these episodes so that they dont get those "why am I breathing" attitudes. You cant get rid of this.

and Swa i highly doubt you have "severe" depression. Apparently you have everything and use vitD to cure it.... how ridiculous. How about show some respect to people with these conditions and take your fraudulent science elsewhere ?
 
How about YOU show some respect and stop peddling your wares and **** off.
 
In much the same way as high dose vitamins can interfere with prescription medicine, some vitamins can in fact assist in the efficacy of some medicines. Vitamin D, seeing as its being discussed, helps to regulate minerals in the body so it can go a long way in helping to treat for numerous illnesses, including non-dietary related illnesses (looking at you, RiaX) but they certainly won't cure them on their own...
 
copacetic said:
Not herpes, they were like cracks on the corners of my mouth, just to be clear.
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Vitamin D is a pretty good dermatological aid, but although it might have fixed the symptoms, something else might have been causing the sores. In all likelihood probably not a Vitamin D deficiency, if you're not batman, that is...
 
DJ... said:
Vitamin D is a pretty good dermatological aid, but although it might have fixed the symptoms, something else might have been causing the sores. In all likelihood probably not a Vitamin D deficiency, if you're not batman, that is...
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Was not under the impression it had anything to do with Vitamin D. The chemist reckoned it was a B deficiency, and that coupled with an iron supplement did the trick.

This whole Vitamin D conspiracy I know little about, so I've no comment at this stage.
 
DJ... said:
I wasn't aware that vitamins could cure herpes. Who knew...
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I never knew it either.

I thought that l-lysine was about the only effective treatment for cold sores. never heard of vitamins curing or removing cold sores, i do know l-lysine is a proven treatment though.

The only thing i take is l-lysine and autrin for iron because i don't chow meat

I hope you are taking iron in the form of autrin or another prescription drug as iron intake is very low unless you eat red meat or take autrin according to my doctor. She said iron supplements have a very low absorption rate so over the counter stuff is pointless. I know L-lysine works for cold sores, we don't get it in our diet. I am waiting for my blood work to come back to see if i need to take autrin. I more than likely do but my blood work will confirm it this week. Doctor would not allow me to take my script for iron until my results are back.

For cold sores copa take l-lysine every day. Get your blood work done for iron, men don't lose blood and if you eat meat you should not have an iron issue. Women need iron more than men for obvious reasons.

http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/lysine-000312.htm

Getting your daily vitamin intake isn't hard, eat fruit. How difficult is it to grab an apple or banana? Easy to eat and you can buy it on the go. It is very easy to get your proper in take of goodness in a day. Taking multivitamins is generally for lazy people who eat poorly. If you eat poorly by all means take vits but you need to look at your diet. Amazingly diet is also linked to depression. Poor diet, bad mental health. Not saying anyone's diet is causing their depression so please relax and don't freak out.

http://www.apneasleep-snoringtreatments.com/ClinicalDepression.html
I am glad my doctor forced me to get my blood work done for iron. Better to know if you need more of it or not.

Vitamin B is easy to get, eggs and fish are the best. I eat a tin of tuna everyday with woolies seed rolls for lunch. They say it isn't good to eat a tin of tuna a day but i read light shredded tuna is fine. Diet is extremely important. I eat tomatoes, cucumber and avo everyday as well. Well avo is a bit hectic out of season but it is avo season so they cheap. Super food is cheap now, i was sick of paying 10 rand an avo :D. Now i buy a box of avo's for 60 bucks. Eggs are so easy to make so i really don't see why you have no time to make good food that is far better than slapping back some pills.

# 6 Avocado

Avocados are an excellent source of healthful raw fat, which most Americans are seriously deficient in. They also provide close to 20 essential health-boosting nutrients, including:

Fiber
Potassium (more than twice the amount found in a banana)
Vitamin E
B-vitamins
Folic acid

In addition, avocados enable your body to more efficiently absorb fat-soluble nutrients, such as alpha- and beta-carotene and lutein, in other foods eaten in conjunction. I eat a whole avocado for breakfast every morning.to increase my calorie intake without increasing my grain carbohydrates.
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copacetic said:
A) Diet is of course important.

B) They were not cold sores.
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What were they? Seems odd to have reoccurring sores around the mouth? To me you should see a doctor regarding sores around the mouth that are not herpes. How on earth can you diagnose that on your own? You need to look at your diet and dissect it copa.

What are you eating daily and what does it contain, from there you see what you might need, myself i know i need iron due to my dislike of meat but i know my diet is good enough to get in everything else i need and i should not be lacking in anything but iron.

If you don't know what your diet is and what you are lacking, you are playing a guessing game. Mostly you can get what you need by simply eating well, obviously you are not eating well. The sores could also be a side effect of any drugs you are on as well. I am a little stunned to be honest copa. I really thought you would be more aware of the situation and seeing it from various angles. Instead you are just looking for a pill to pop. Sorry if i sound rude :D. If i was getting random sores around my mouth area and it wasn't cold sores i would be at the doctor getting it diagnosed, i would be looking at what i am eating, then i would also be looking at what drugs i am taking and make an informed decision. I certainly would not try guessing that i have vit b issue or my iron was low. If i did suspect that i would look for food that contains both and add them into my diet. I would not go popping vit b pills over fruit/eggs/meat. Too many pill poppers that seem lazy and don't eating well is a little difficult. exercise is also pretty important, even if it's just a walk for half an hour.

Do you know what the sores around your mouth are? What drugs and multi vit are you on?
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_cheilitis

Angular cheilitis (also called perlèche, cheilosis or angular stomatitis) is an inflammatory lesion at the labial commissure, or corner of the mouth, and often occurs bilaterally.
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tudies have linked the initial onset of angular cheilitis with nutritional deficiencies, namely riboflavin (vitamin B2) and iron deficiency anemia, which in turn may be evidence of poor diets or malnutrition (e.g. celiac disease). Zinc deficiency has also been associated with angular cheilitis.
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Eat better if that is what he has then i would imagine his diet is pretty poor. Full of processed rubbish food.
 
killadoob said:
Eat better if that is what he has then i would imagine his diet is pretty poor. Full of processed rubbish food.
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probably. Though im quite impressed at that pharmacist, TBH i wouldve missed that :(
 
RiaX said:
probably. Though im quite impressed at that pharmacist, TBH i wouldve missed that :(
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They want to sell you vitamins dude, you don't ask pharmacists to diagnose your issues. if you can't go to the doctor who will give you drugs anyway then google. Sounds more like copa needs a nutritionist :D. Granted you don't need anything special to know whether your diet is poor or not. Google is extremely helpful with diets. What fruit has what, what meat and fish has in it and so on.

research super foods copa, avo being right up there :D.
 
Picard said:
Just don't give avocado to a parrot ... or any pet animal actually.
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I am sure there are things in animal kingdom we can't eat. Go look at the comodo dragon, would we eat rotting flesh and survive? I highly doubt it.

If you own a parrot or dog you should know avo and chocolate are poisonous, the wonder of google should be utilized in almost every uncertain situation.
 
killadoob said:
Eat better if that is what he has then i would imagine his diet is pretty poor. Full of processed rubbish food.
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:rolleyes:

Having a conversation with you is pretty trying.

As such, I am not going to make the effort to correct your lack of comprehension in the little quoted bit above, never mind your previous post.

Christ...

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I'm sorry to be tetchy, but you really pay very little attention to what people say sometimes.
 
SA Government blocks access to natural medicines
We need new regulatory authority.

On the subject of eating right, you can do everything you want but sometimes that is not enough. Even going the fresh fruit and vegetable only option may not be enough for some. Modern agriculture is volume centric instead of nutrition centric. Then there is the GMO frankenfood issue. I just hope somebody is keeping back some original samples for our future generations to repopulate the world after it has killed all of us off.

I'm not for popping unnatural pills that's full of nasty side effects. Natural products are a whole other boatload however. The pharmaceutical companies have a huge stake in all of this. As for going to a doctor rather than a pharmacist trying to sell something http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/is-your-doctor-getting-drug-kickbacks/
 
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