Differences between Macs and PCs

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This guy explains it very well, for non-technical users. Great video.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flZUq0919ME&NR=1&feature=fvwp[/ame]
 
I'm sorry, but there are some fundamental things in that video that are downright wrong and BS....

Windows and OSX are both closed development platforms in so much as outside people can't change that code...

OSX doesn't alert for all external code running, and neither does Windows.

And OSX programs are more "beautifully" written, what kind of BS is that?

All that video was, was an attempted salespitch for an Apple.
 
It's a great explanation for non technical users.

ToxicBunny said:
I'm sorry, but there are some fundamental things in that video that are downright wrong and BS....

Windows and OSX are both closed development platforms in so much as outside people can't change that code...
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Yes they can. Heard of malware on Windows? Heard of rootkits?

OSX doesn't alert for all external code running, and neither does Windows.
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OSX does alert you when the code wants to do something its privileges do not allow. To install proof-of-concept malware on a Mac - like that iLife Warez trojan, you have to type in your username and password and give the program authorisation. On a PC this does not happen.

And OSX programs are more "beautifully" written, what kind of BS is that?
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Anecdotally looking at it, many people think that MS Office for Mac's Entourage and Word are better in many regards than their Windows counterparts. iMovie is easier to use than MS Moviemaker and Final Cut Pro is superior to Adobe's Premiere Pro and Sony's Vegas. The documentation is also superior - you get not only full help files with Mac Pro Apps, you also get all the printed manuals and iStores offer you great tutorials and free classes (maybe not in SA but in the Developed World). After sales service in iStores (except for SA) is reputed to be better. . In Contrast Office does not come with Manuals, neither does Adobe Premiere or Photoshop.

Fewer lame shareware authors write crippled buggy apps for Macs than for Windows which also means what you do get is more elegant and better most of the time.

Service wise:

and No. 18 Apple Inc. (AAPL ) into the mix. While Apple's customer service shows its bruises--device problems frequently erupt just after warranties expire--the in-person support offered at the "Genius Bars" in the electronics maker's more than 170 stores sets it apart from its peers.
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Business Week March 5, 2007. Top 25 customer service brands.

All that video was, was an attempted salespitch for an Apple.
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If you saw what company did the video you'd see that it was no such thing: if you looked at their other videos (eg where they compare a Macbook to a Dell) you'd see that they weren't pro-Apple. They just speak the truth.
 
Heard of virus's on OSX (they do exist)

Windows also alerts you when a piece of software tries to do something it doesn't have priviledges for, so shame for you.

Ahhh UI fundamentals, yes... I will concede that point.. OSX's UI and UI guidelines are miles better than Windows, but this does NOT mean the software is more beautifully written, or even better written for that.

I couldn't care who did that video, it was an attempted salespitch for Apple that was full of BS.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Heard of virus's on OSX (they do exist)
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The only virus in the wild - the ONLY ONE - is the Trojan which came with iLive warez. To install it you need to authorise the app by typing in the username and password and even when running that trojan was pretty innocuous. It couldn't modify Mac OSX system files. Contrast with Windows viruses - some worms came by email and when auto-previewed by Outlook they executed themselves and infected the system.

Windows also alerts you when a piece of software tries to do something it doesn't have priviledges for, so shame for you.
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Not when it notifies you for every tiny thing, users (usually non technical ones) then turn that famous (UAC) Vista feature completely OFF. Mac OSX doesn't bug you - only for serious issues - eg when a program requests very specific elevated privileges. Windows in contrast bugs you all the time - eg disk full, USB connected, USB disconnected, printer not working, disk almost full, disk dangerously close to full, etc etc not to mention UAC. Ghastly.

Ahhh UI fundamentals, yes... I will concede that point.. OSX's UI and UI guidelines are miles better than Windows, but this does NOT mean the software is more beautifully written, or even better written for that.
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There is less junk available for Mac OSX and Mac OSX comes with iLife and a cheap iWorks - users don't need defraggers, antiviruses, antispyware, registry cleaners, and other junk. Apple also does not preload its systems with trialware junk unlike Dell, Acer, Asus etc.

I couldn't care who did that video, it was an attempted salespitch for Apple that was full of BS.
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You're entitled to your opinion, though it may be entirely incorrect. :)
 
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Thats the only one you know of.. if Apple had the market share of Windows, trust me, there would be CRAP loads of viruses for OSX.

My Windows 7 doesn't bug me for everthing.....neither did Vista for that matter actually.

Woah, we're talking about the more "beautifully" written apps here.. not less junk etc etc etc.... stop trying to change the topc. Don't try and bring in what companies like Dell etc do to their machines... thats not part of this discussion either.

In your opinion, are OSX programs more "beautifully"written than their corresponding Windows ones? (given that you've probably NEVER seen the source code for either version)

My opinion is my opinion, its not correct or incorrect.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Thats the only one you know of.. if Apple had the market share of Windows, trust me, there would be CRAP loads of viruses for OSX.
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Apple's share is 7% or so. However, Apple Mac users are usually more affluent and more likely to use their credit cards to buy stuff online or to have sensitive information (tax returns, bank details) on their machines. They're a more lucrative target than Windows users who sometimes have 2-3 machines and use them only for gaming or basic Office tasks. It's more logical to think that perhaps 7 out of 100 of pieces of malware out there would be targeting Macs? If you add in that Macs are usually owned by people with more spare cash and a better target - well the rewards increase for Mac malware writers. Maybe it's just more difficult to do this on the Mac because malware can't auto-install on a Mac, can't corrupt key files and Mac users don't spend so much of their time downloading Shareware apps and other junk because they're happy with what they have - it just works :).

Secondly, there can be a million trojan horses like the iLife warez one but if you don't give it an authorisation to do its evil deeds, it won't infect your system.

I forgot to add that there is no auto-run on a Mac OSX :).

My Windows 7 doesn't bug me for everthing.....neither did Vista for that matter actually.
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So UAC did not bug you in Vista?

Woah, we're talking about the more "beautifully" written apps here.. not less junk etc etc etc.... stop trying to change the topc. Don't try and bring in what companies like Dell etc do to their machines... thats not part of this discussion either.
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1. Apple does not put junk on machines.
2. You get very little trialware junk for Macs.
3. You get little shareware junk for Macs.
4. Macs come with almost all the software a basic user will need, just buy iWorks and you don't even need MS Office or just install OpenOffice - a basic user won't need anything else.
5. Macs don't require maintenance apps like defraggers, TuneUp Utilities, registry cleaners etc.
6. I already compared how Apple Pro apps come with manuals vs Adobe and MS Pro Apps.

In your opinion, are OSX programs more "beautifully"written than their corresponding Windows ones? (given that you've probably NEVER seen the source code for either version)
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It's a matter of functionality. Secondly they certainly don't crash Mac OSX as much as Windows apps crash Windows and conflict with each other :).

Oh and don't forget the Windows DLL hell and this thing called the "Registry". :)
 
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Could we have this moved to the Mac section? Unless this is hardware-related of course (haven't watched the video yet).
 
hj2k_x said:
Ah, this old chestnut again.
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Well I did not want to start a fight, I just showed a cool Ehow video with an older guy about the basic differences between Macs and PCs for non-tech savvy users.

Do watch the 'How to Choose the best Laptop' video from the same guy - you'll see that he has no pro-Mac bias there.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZY1WBq9m2c&feature=channel[/ame]
 
DJNgoma said:
Mac OS, an OS that offers "Animal Named" Service Packs with a price tag... :D.
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As opposed to numbers - Vista and Win 7 as a service pack for it. What's the internal name for 7 and what did Ballmer call 7? A better Windows Vista? Those very words? Pot calling the kettle ... ? ;) You say the Snow Leopard service pack costs R327 but the Win 7 service pack costs R3000-3500??? LOL ;)
 
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