Discovery Vitality [2018]

krycor

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Well done to Discovery, they are really mastering the behavioural psychology- reducing their reward scheme costs, but giving element of excitement for their users by allowing to pick the tiles as if its all in your own hands now.
I think it’s an attempt to reduce waste (how many rewards have u cashed in for the sake of it and how many have you not forgotten to get).

Assuming there is a transactional cost going to the voucher company, this reduced it so watch the wiCode volumes (not sure if they public but ucs is) and Kauai sales numbers vs projections.

As a rewards partner like Kauai this must hurt slightly maybe? Less sales volumes (voucher sales.. they reported as regular sales?) and so I have to question how viable the the connection with Virgin Active etc will be. It’s amazing watching this, gym membership pricing and unrelated but similar leases vs sale costs etc ie artificial stimulant on sales means services/goods looks like it selling and inflation vs demand & profit. The business part of me is watching curiously..
 
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Well done to Discovery, they are really mastering the behavioural psychology- reducing their reward scheme costs, but giving element of excitement for their users by allowing to pick the tiles as if its all in your own hands now.
Yeah Kauai is gonna be so quiet on Wednesdays - LOL
 

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I'm pretty sure your tile allocation isn't down to luck of picking one. It's already been assigned to you beforehand. Two 25 tiles for me in a row
 
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I'm pretty sure your tile allocation isn't down to luck of picking one. It's already been assigned to you beforehand. Two 25 tiles for me in a row
Yup . The boards are preloaded and discovery now reducing their costs . So even if you wanted your coffee / smoothie every week for getting your target, now you may have to wait two weeks. Isn't Discovery's new method of game board considered gambling of sorts?

The question I am asking myself (and I was never a big fan but I am playing) is how much is my health data really worth. Refuse to fall for their booster gimmicks to lock me further in. Thinking I may use two devices (my old Fitbit and my new Garmin). I will only associate the Fitbit to discovery and use for exercise. So they get max 35 minutes X 3 of my health data but nothing else. **** them
 

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I achieved my goal but dont seem to have any board play allocated? I received one last week...not this week though.
My 30 points hasnt changed since last week either.
 
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jman

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Yup . The boards are preloaded and discovery now reducing their costs . So even if you wanted your coffee / smoothie every week for getting your target, now you may have to wait two weeks. Isn't Discovery's new method of game board considered gambling of sorts?

The question I am asking myself (and I was never a big fan but I am playing) is how much is my health data really worth. Refuse to fall for their booster gimmicks to lock me further in. Thinking I may use two devices (my old Fitbit and my new Garmin). I will only associate the Fitbit to discovery and use for exercise. So they get max 35 minutes X 3 of my health data but nothing else. **** them
Nah, I think to constitute gambling, you'd have to be able to lose some of your own money. But yes, I'm sure they are managing their costs with this, with 25 points being a much higher probability than anything else, which won't get us a smoothie anymore. I do like the idea that you can build them up though for PnP vouchers for example - that I can use.

With regards to your health data - it's the new 'gold'. And it's probably a matter of time before they're using this data in other ways, such as the medical aid side of things and possibly upping your premium if you're a fat slob? Who knows
 

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Got a Diamond this week :p

I like that you can play the board as soon as you hit your goal!
 
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My wife and I have both been one tile off a diamond for the past couple of weeks. That seems a bit suspicious to me - anyone else notice that?
I'm a bit lazy to do the maths right now but if the board wasn't rigged, there would be a roughly 35% probability that you're one tile off a diamond, so for four boards in a row the chances are quite slim. Anyone else notice that?
 

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I achieved my goal but dont seem to have any board play allocated? I received one last week...not this week though.
My 30 points hasnt changed since last week either.
I also didn't get a play board, but got a notification from the app to say I achieved my goal.
 

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Cheapest that works decent would be a Polar A360 bought second hand. Thats what I did for my wife. Got one for $70 on ebay. Which is quite a bit better than the local prices even with import tax and shipping. Right now I see they closer to $100 on ebay. Depends on how fast you want one.

The devices to look at, that I am familiar with:
A360/370
M430

Cheaper than that, you need to look at the Polar Loop/Loop2, but I honestly dont know how well they work.
 

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Thanks.
I am particularly looking for brands that Discovery do not support, but that are able to link to the Polar app. For example the Muvit heart rate monitor can do it. They used to be under R500 but aren't sold anymore.
 

Tinuva

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Thanks.
I am particularly looking for brands that Discovery do not support, but that are able to link to the Polar app. For example the Muvit heart rate monitor can do it. They used to be under R500 but aren't sold anymore.
Yeah so this will also work, but is not wrist based: https://www.sportsmanswarehouse.co.za/product/wahoo-tickr-belt/5923

I havent seen any non-Polar watch link up to Polar app like the bluetooth belts. Doesnt mean there isnt any, just dont know about them.
 

krycor

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Nah, I think to constitute gambling, you'd have to be able to lose some of your own money. But yes, I'm sure they are managing their costs with this, with 25 points being a much higher probability than anything else, which won't get us a smoothie anymore. I do like the idea that you can build them up though for PnP vouchers for example - that I can use.

With regards to your health data - it's the new 'gold'. And it's probably a matter of time before they're using this data in other ways, such as the medical aid side of things and possibly upping your premium if you're a fat slob? Who knows
I suspect they may be skirting close to the line that defines Gambling.. From th Gambling Act.

Gambling games 5. (1) An activity is a gambling game if— (a) it meets the following criteria: 18 No. 26670 GOVERNMENT GAZETTE, 12 AUGUST 2004 Act No. 7, 2004 NATIONAL GAMBLING ACT, 2004 5 10 15 20 25 30 35 (i) it is played upon payment of any consideration, with the chance that the person playing the game might become entitled to, or receive a pay-out; and (ii) the result might be determined by the skill of the player, the element of chance, or both; or (b) it is a bet or wager in terms of section 4(1), that is placed in a casino in relation to an activity that meets the criteria in paragraph (a). (2) Despite subsection (1), for all purposes of this Act, none of the following activities is a gambling game: (a) A bet or wager in terms of section 4(1), other than a bet or wager contemplated in subsection (1)(b). (b) a totalisator bet in terms of section 4(2); or (c) an amusement game.
This is why raffles(you use to get church/social/school ones that guaranteed a prize too) technically is gambling too. In this case you are paying your Vitality fee, and then there is an element of luck/chance which was introduced in the last year iteration. While last year it was on aggregated rewards.. i suspect they could get away with it(was not the central point of the system) but now where rewards are tokenised and that token is technically has a monetary value/payout interms of reward and the amount now is purely luck based.. yea now.. As soon as someone raises this i suspect they will need a gambling licence as this is very close to it.

Yes technically they can say you guaranteed to get 25 points per week (reward, down from 40 last year) but because you only get this by "playing" a game of chance i reckon a judge will find it difficult to not say its Gambling i.e. to have a luck/chance based gain they will need to have a Gambling Licence i reckon but i dunno.. i'm not a lawyer and Gambling vs Gaming is tricky.. just look at the App Store from 2-3yrs ago before micro-payments for game play became a thing and the App Stores started clamping down(because before they would make a loss).
 
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