Do you believe access to the internet is a basic human right?

Do you believe access to the internet is a basic human right?

  • Yes

    Votes: 153 49.4%

  • No

    Votes: 157 50.6%
  • Total voters
    310
Rather than more free stuff from tax, why don't they just release restrictions of business to do business as they see fit and create millions of jobs over time.
 
MightyQuin said:
People that answer: Yes should really Google "basic human rights"...or maybe start by Googling the meaning of the word "basic".
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Human rights are made up rights, aren't they? If it's decided to make Internet access a basic human right then it becomes a human right, just like the existing human rights.
 
South Africa needs a few

1. A Civil Service Exam like Korea and further tests to go up rankings. If you cant pass it, you cant work in the government (Korea has had this system for 1200 years and it works well.) Those best in the testing can go further up, and those that dont pass, cant work for government. Its pretty strict
2. HDB Housing like Singapore (You can buy the house without a bond really), but you pay if it gets sold. ie if you die as well, it goes on the market, and your kids can purchase it.) Look after the house and the area and it gains value, dont look after it and it drops.
3. Container trucks can only operate after 8am in the evenings. The road is clearer and will cause less daytime traffic. Same with any other large trucks
4. The no fault system for the RAF is to be removed. The RAF is to be removed too, and you would need to show valid insurance or you cant renew your car license.
5. Cars must be under 15 years old unless its registered a classic.
6. You need to purchase a license to own a vehicle. It costs R50k for 10 years. Seems crazy, but this will cut down on all junk cars on the road, and all unroadworthy crocks.
7. Solar panels can be installed with a feedback into the grid, however this must be done by registered personnel however there is an admin fee for this for monitoring your supply and usage.
 
eg2505 said:
yes, because so many basic things depend on it,
from shopping to education to work to travel,
you need the internet in everyday life.
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None of those qualify it as a basic need.

eg2505 said:
problem comes in SA, with our Electricity supply, and then the Sewage,
and then the water supply, and then numerous other things that are much more basic.
like Traffic lights, potholes, and it goes on and on.

fix those first, then consider universal internet.
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Agreed 100%
I would add basic education to that list.
 
@Corelli
Some good points there.

3. Problem with trucks is you'll need to reorganize parts of the business to accommodate loading and unloading at those times.
6. Not gonna work in SA with our poverty methinks
 
C4Cat said:
Human rights are made up rights, aren't they? If it's decided to make Internet access a basic human right then it becomes a human right, just like the existing human rights.
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The current human rights originated from logic and common sense....very much the opposite of your usual arguments.

You do not need the internet to survive, pro-create or have dignity.

The internet is a luxury.
 
MightyQuin said:
The current human rights originated from logic and common sense....very much the opposite of your usual arguments.

You do not need the internet to survive, pro-create or have dignity.

The internet is a luxury.
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With all the retards being born, we should swap that. Give away internets and make procreation a luxury.
 
rh1 said:
Yes, which can be provided via a Library, as in thr future, we wont need the hardcopies as much. It will be niche product like music. The vast majority of the written word should be consumed/read electronically. This frees up the space for providing internet. Heavily filtered of course. They dont need data for porn etc. It should be STEM related and/or jobs vacancies or similar.
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I don’t think any authority is qualified to decide what topics people may or may not research or read. Obvious, known pornography, social media and such sites could be filtered out, but beyond that there should be no restriction.

Until people have another source of reading material libraries will continue to be needed though. I don’t see everyone having their own electronic book for a long time.
 
Arthur said:
I suspect @ArmatageShanks is one of an increasing cohort who have never asked let alone answered the elementary questions of politics and social living, such as:

- What are rights? How do they differ from favours, privileges, concessions, grants, indulgences, bestowals and the like?

- What is the source and origin of rights? The State? Government favour? The Strong? Society? Corollary of natural obligations? Human nature and its author (God)?

- How are rights claimed, vindicated, protected?

- Can rights legitimately be taken away or suspended? If so, by whom (where do they get that right?), and under what circumstances?

I am of the school that does not recognise the state or society as the origin of rights. Rather, the state exists to protect, defend and vindicate rights we all have independent of the state (in my view, needless to say). That's what lies behind my No vote in this poll. And my opposition to the very notion of "rights" (ie entitlement) to stuff that is made available by the labour of others.

Not for discussion in this thread, of course.
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The Elementary question of politics:ROFL::ROFL:

Wind your neck in mate
 
Arthur said:
Of course they have a right to access these services online. Just as they have a right to visit a government office for services.

But no-one has the moral right to compel other people to pay for that access. You are still responsible for moving your carcass to a government office at your own expense. Likewise, the equipment and data services you use to access government e-services is for your own account. If not, where the hell does the expropriation stop if you don't have a principle on which to make a decision?
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Quite the edgy take there, reminds me of the Libertarian Police Department comedy sketch

here's a few more hot Libertarian takes
  • You have the right to 10L of clean water daily - but you are responsible for fetching your daily allocation from your nearest bulk water treatment site
  • You have the right to education - but you are responsible for paying for your books and materials and teaching yourself
  • You have the right to a safe environment - but you have to uber the police to your crime scene and any patrols
  • You have the right to free movement - but you have to pay tolls to to every property owner your road crosses as should be no public road infrastructure because no one should be compelled to pay for someone else's free passage
 
Benedict A55h0le said:
Most things humans think of as a basic human right is not that at all. In fact, I can not think of a real human right besides the right not to pollute. So much for that right....
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The only basic human right is to life, i.e Thou Shalt Not Kill.

Beyond that - nada nothing, is a basic human right
 
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